26 Beattie Ave Denistone East NSW 2112

Construction of new 73 place childcare centre with basement carparking.

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website about 1 month ago. It was received by them 1 day earlier.

(Source: City of Ryde, reference LDA2020/0358)

10 Comments

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  1. Vicki Johnson commented

    I strongly oppose this application firstly on the basis that it does not comply with Ryde Council guidelines for childcare centres and secondly on the basis of the impact it is likely to have on the surrounding residents, streets and area.
    Ryde Council’s website states that :
    1) Preferred locations are sites with the least number of adjoining properties.
    26 Beattie Ave has seven different neighbours adjoining this property.
    2) Sites adjoining town houses, villas and flats are not considered suitable due to
    increased potential for amenity impacts.
    There are three villas located next door at number 24 Beattie Avenue and three
    individual houses that back onto 26 Beattie Ave.
    3) Where sites are located within low density residential areas, preference is given to
    smaller scale development ( under 50 child care places).
    26 Beattie Ave is proposing 73 places and the area is zoned R2 Low Density
    Residential.
    4) Major trees on adjacent properties particularly those within 9m of subject site.
    There is a very large silky oak on one of the properties to the rear of the site that is
    within 9m of the boundary and numerous other large trees on another
    property to the rear as well.
    5) Sources of nuisance - flight paths
    The site is located under a regular flight path which sees a lot of traffic during normal
    times, even during a pandemic.
    6) Underground parking is not permitted in low density residential areas
    Parking and driveway is not to dominate the street scape.
    The proposal for 26 Beattie Ave is for basement parking / underground parking.
    7) In low density residential areas child care centres are encouraged to be single story
    in height for reasons of safety and access.
    Further to this child care centres are not advised to be built in close proximity of arterial roads. Blaxland Road is an arterial road and located at the end of Beattie Avenue.
    Beattie Ave and Haig Ave have become rat runs for traffic and with the ever increasing development that we are seeing this is only going to get worse. A child care centre located at this site will increase this and push more onto surrounding streets.
    The amenity of those living close to this proposed child care will be dramatically changed for the worse. There are a lot of older residents who are at home during the day who will be adversely affected by noise each day and though the hours have not been listed child care centres are generally open early for drop offs and close late for pick ups. At present it is a quiet neighbourhood especially during the week and nobody wants to see this change. Child care centres are better located near or in the grounds of a primary school.

  2. Glenis Hill commented

    I strongly oppose this application firstly on the basis that it does not comply with Ryde Council guidelines for childcare centres and secondly on the basis of the impact it is likely to have on the surrounding residents, streets and area.
    Ryde Council’s website states that :
    1) Preferred locations are sites with the least number of adjoining properties.
    26 Beattie Ave has seven different neighbours adjoining this property.
    2) Sites adjoining town houses, villas and flats are not considered suitable due to
    increased potential for amenity impacts.
    There are three villas located next door at number 24 Beattie Avenue and three
    individual houses that back onto 26 Beattie Ave.
    I live in a villa at number24 and oppose this development for a number of reasons.
    1/ more traffic using Beattie Avenue to add to the traffic taking a 'shortcut' to Midway Shopping centre or Macquarie Shopping Centre many of who travel faster than the speed limit.
    2/There is already a lot of lot litter dropped by traffic which I think would get worse.
    3/The Water and Sewerage use would be increased adding to the community infrastructure demands.
    4/ Traffic to a proposed child care centre would increase traffic on Beattie Avenue both for morning (before 9) children being taken to child care and those collected from 3-4pm.
    Also the delivery of food and education equipment during the day and the size of those vehicles impact on noise to surrounding residents and wear to roads.
    5/ There are already 5X3 bedroom villas in Beattie Ave =1car/villa =15 cars plus 'the second car parked on the street + the children have a car= ??
    Beattie Avenue seems smaller /more narrow every time another car is added.
    Many streets in Ryde are suffering from this problem, so the area problems increase.
    6/ Noise pollution is already experienced by 'flight paths' over Ryde even in this 'Covid time' of less jets flying over.
    I am one of the older residents living in the area and would agree that additions to Beattie Ave would not be good for me.

  3. Anne Paton commented

    I strongly oppose this application, given the Council's website states the rules and regulations covering this type of application. For the lifle of me I can not understand why this application has been put forward. when Ryde Councils rules and regulations do not allow for this kind of application.
    I am 70 years old and a carer of an elder that has a serious medical condition, both of us will be impacted by this application, as we live next door in 24 Beattie Ave.
    We downsized our home many years ago so we could live out our life in peace and quiet, close to Doctors, Hospitals, and transport for when we can no longer drive.
    It is already difficult to exit our driveway because of an increase in traffic now, this application will make our lives more stressful.
    I hope Ryde Council applies its rules and regulations to stop this application.
    Regards
    Anne Paton

  4. Joel Wilson commented

    I have been a resident of Beattie Avenue for over 12 years, with a good feel and knowledge of the residents living in the street and their diverse needs and requirements. I am also a long term employee of a school/early learning centre in Sydney’s Inner West. With my background, I feel I am reasonably equipped to pass an informed judgement on the suitability of this proposal.

    It is extremely clear this proposal does not meet NSW Government planning objectives in this instance.
    • ensure that child care facilities are compatible with the existing streetscape, context and neighbouring land uses. (Impossible! When Beattie Avenue is 100% residential, combining villas, freestanding houses built from circa 1950)
    • minimise any adverse impacts of development on adjoining properties and the neighbourhood, including the natural and built environment. (Impossible! When the site is adjoined by over 6 properties inhabited by multiple people of a diverse nature.

    These points are excluding other obvious impacts on the Beattie Avenue community. The outrageous scale of the proposal will certainly bring negative impacts on traffic congestion, noise, privacy and lack of on street parking for existing residents. The likely 7am-7pm operational hours of the business would also be of particular concern, as these times are often when the residential community are out enjoying healthy physical and mental interactions by walking, talking and playing.

    Beattie Avenue is a wonderfully diverse, happy, prosperous residential community. It is a lovely place to live!!!! Please do not let a commercial proposal such as this pass, or I fear the residents, their well-being and their street will never be the same.

  5. Barry Shirley commented

    I hate to say this but you are all wasting your time in trying to stop any City of Ryde consideration to take notice of your objections. We have been battling a ridiculous development on 2 - 6 Chatham Road West Ryde which council has just endorsed in favour of the Developer. On a 1900m2 block they are allowing a 7 storey apartment block and are going to change all the DCP controls including FSR reduction to allow more cramped apartments. Their reward is to receive 3 of these apartments for Council use. The now 7 storey building (which was previously zoned for 4 storeys) is right next door to residential houses, the West Ryde hotel and a child care centre on the corner. We (nearly 70 people who submitted objections) were invited to watch the Council meeting on Zoom (August 25) to see the proposal discussed by council. We waited over 3 hours to witness a council meeting in complete disarray with a Mayor who not stick to the agenda and had no control over council members wasting time liking the sound of their own voices. They ran out of time and held a meeting on September 1 (in which the public had no access) and endorsed the plan in spite of their own technical department and a report from G M Urban Design telling them the development was not appropriate for ths site.
    As far as any invitation for the people of Ryde to have a say in future Planning Controls - don't waste your time. It will mean nothing with this council who will roll over for developers.

  6. Vicki Johnson commented

    Barry Shirley, I totally understand your frustration about the never ending over development in the City of Ryde and across greater Sydney. The only areas that seem to be immune to this type of development are certain prestigious suburbs.
    While I have empathy for the residents surrounding the development at 2-6 Chatham Rd West Ryde and the obvious disruption and loss of any privacy they will now have, this area is obviously zoned differently to ours as the site is at present operating as a commercial enterprise and located near shops and a train station.
    The childcare centre proposed at 26 Beattie Ave is in a R2 Low Density Residential Zone, a neighbourhood of residential housing where commercial businesses were never allowed and should not be allowed. Childcare centres seem to be popping up everywhere and while I understand why there is a need for them, they need to be built in appropriate areas taking into account the needs of parents who will be using these facilities. They would be best suited near transport links so parents could easily drop off and pick up on their way to and from work. Close proximity to primary schools also makes sense but randomly placed in residential streets makes no sense at all. Government planners need to think ahead about the effects on infrastructure before they push ahead with large scale developments as it seems like it comes as an afterthought. My biggest concern is how is the government, state and local going to address the problem of supplying clean water to all these extra people being crammed into Sydney.
    It is never a waste of time to speak up about something that you think is entirely wrong and I do totally understand your frustration at what is happening around us because I feel it too.

  7. VERNON KEYSER commented

    I have strong objections to this development application as it fails to comply with Ryde Council’s own guidelines.

    a, The development would bring commercial business into a residential area.

    b, This is a quiet low density residential area and seventy three places would impact the peace currently enjoyed by the surrounding homes.

    c, There are large trees within nine meters of the site.

    d, Underground parking is not permitted in low density residential areas and if permitted would raise the height of the building to an unacceptable height to surrounding houses both to side and rear of the development.

    e, There are seven homes joining this development which will be directly affected by noise, congestion and privacy.

    f, Beattie Ave and Haig Ave have both become rat runs for traffic with increased development in the area, with this development there would be excessive congestion in Beattie due to drop off, pick and special days such as Grand Parent days. This would result in more traffic using Haig Ave to avoid the congestion.

    g, Ryde Council currently has a ‘Draft Local Housing Strategy and Draft Planning Proposal to amend Planning Controls in the R2 Low Density Residential Zone’. This development goes against Council’s own Strategy of maintaining the quality of life in Low Density Residential Areas.

    A large number of trees have been removed from this property in the last year. There are now no trees on the property and the owners have asked for the one camellia on the property behind to be removed. What has happened to the Greening of the City of Ryde?

    We currently enjoy gardening and relaxing in our garden. Seventy Three screaming children would significantly impact this enjoyment.

    This development will certainly have a detrimental influence on this area.

  8. Glenis Hill commented

    Adit to my earlier comment (24.10) about proposed child care centre. I live in the villas next door to 26 Beattie Ave, there would be loss of morning sun to units 1 and 2 and any trees (4 noted for planting) planned have heights 10 - 12m including a Crepe Myrtle tree would have loss of sun impact on villa 3: Point noted Vernon: 73 happy children running around the plants might also reduce the pleasure I get from being outdoors in my garden.

    Cars bringing children to the centre would park on Beattie Ave and then walking across grass or path from the car parked on the road. There are 18 (staff and l set down car spaces under the building which would allow a car to park and the child to be taken in to the child area. NB there may be 73 cars doing this short time parking exercise.??? they open at 7AM!
    Currently there are 2 vehicles parked on the street in front of 24 most days. The photo presented by the child care proposers show NO cars.
    Hope this traffic stop/go doesn't mean we might get parking meters ? for those not included in the centre parking in Beattie Ave

  9. VIVIAN WANG commented

    I strongly oppose this application firstly on the basis that it does not comply with Ryde Council guidelines for childcare centres and secondly on the basis of the impact it is likely to have on the surrounding residents, streets and area.
    Ryde Council’s website states that :
    1) Preferred locations are sites with the least number of adjoining properties.
    26 Beattie Ave has seven different neighbours adjoining this property.
    2) Sites adjoining town houses, villas and flats are not considered suitable due to
    increased potential for amenity impacts.
    There are three villas located next door at number 24 Beattie Avenue and three
    individual houses that back onto 26 Beattie Ave.
    3) Where sites are located within low density residential areas, preference is given to
    smaller scale development ( under 50 child care places).
    26 Beattie Ave is proposing 73 places and the area is zoned R2 Low Density
    Residential.
    4) Major trees on adjacent properties particularly those within 9m of subject site.
    There is a very large silky oak on one of the properties to the rear of the site that is
    within 9m of the boundary and numerous other large trees on another
    property to the rear as well.
    5) Sources of nuisance - flight paths
    The site is located under a regular flight path which sees a lot of traffic during normal
    times, even during a pandemic.
    6) Underground parking is not permitted in low density residential areas
    Parking and driveway is not to dominate the street scape.
    The proposal for 26 Beattie Ave is for basement parking / underground parking.
    7) In low density residential areas child care centres are encouraged to be single story
    in height for reasons of safety and access.
    Further to this child care centres are not advised to be built in close proximity of arterial roads. Blaxland Road is an arterial road and located at the end of Beattie Avenue.
    Beattie Ave and Haig Ave have become rat runs for traffic and with the ever increasing development that we are seeing this is only going to get worse. A child care centre located at this site will increase this and push more onto surrounding streets.
    The amenity of those living close to this proposed child care will be dramatically changed for the worse. There are a lot of older residents who are at home during the day who will be adversely affected by noise each day and though the hours have not been listed child care centres are generally open early for drop offs and close late for pick ups. At present it is a quiet neighbourhood especially during the week and nobody wants to see this change.

  10. Warren Smith commented

    Dear Ryde residents,
    Our local community needs at least 10 unique individually written letters to be sent to The General Manager City of Ryde to escalate this to a public meeting.
    It needs to be titled Submissions - LDA2020/0358
    You will need to include your name and address also.
    Closing deadline is 11th November.

    Submissions are required to be in writing, and should the submission be by way of objection to the proposal, the submission should specify the grounds of objection. All correspondence should be addressed to the General Manager and can be sent by:
    • Email: cityofryde@ryde.nsw.gov.au
    • Post: General Manager, City of Ryde, Locked Bag 2069, North Ryde NSW 1670
    • Drop off: Customer Service Centre (Underneath Ryde Library), 1 Pope Street, Ryde NSW 2112

    Thank you

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