187 Peats Ferry Rd Hornsby NSW 2077 Australia

Mixed - Shop Top Housing Comprising 249 Residential Units - Demolition - Heritage

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website 9 months ago. It was received by them 3 days earlier.

(Source: Hornsby Shire Council, reference DA/201/2018)

16 Comments

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  1. Carolyn Cannings commented

    I do not agree with this application for building a 24 storey building on Peats Ferry Road. For a start, any new building should be aesthetically complimentary to the current buildings, this proposed building would completely dwarf the west side of Hornsby. It would also open the doorway for other developers to submit DA's for unnecessarily tall/high rise buildings.

    Traffic in and around Hornsby is busy on the quietest days. The roads are used by through traffic from other suburbs as well as by local residents going about their daily business. Road rage is on the increase because there are always traffic jams and tailbacks. Should Council dare to approve this DA, how many more cars will be trying to access Peats Ferry Road in the most difficult section of that road? Will this mean more traffic lights? Even less street parking because of the need to open up a second lane for through traffic? Less parking will mean some local businesses will lose a considerable amount of business because their customers cannot park nearby.

    Reports have been released time and time again saying that Sydney does not need any more home units, it has reached its quota. Hornsby is a Sydney suburb. Hornsby does not need any more high rise buildings. Nor does anywhere else in the entire Hornsby Shire.

    Please do not approve this Development Application.

  2. Rachael Guest commented

    I object to this development application on the following grounds:

    - Traffic Congestion
    The increase of residential dwellings in the area will add to the already existing traffic congestion on Peats Ferry Road. Most people own at least one car so the number of cars on the roads will increase. The roads surrounding the proposed development are not adequate to withstand more traffic.

    - Lack of car parking
    Already the car parking in the area surrounding the proposed development is inadequate. More residents will only make car parking more scarce.

    - Out of Character
    The proposed development is out of character for the West side of Hornsby. It certainly is not in keeping with the heritage of the area or surrounding facades. Such a development will not revitalise Hornsby West side, only ruin it.

    - Overshadowing
    A structure of such significant height will create a negative impact on the surrounding environment through over shadowing.

    - Visual Bulk of Building
    A building of such size will impact the outlook of neighbours in Dural Street and dominate private open space. This is not acceptable for neighbouring residents.

    - Overlooking & Loss of Privacy
    The proposed development will overlook surrounding residences and impact negatively on their privacy. Furthermore, it will overlook Hornsby Aquatic Centre. This is a serious breech of privacy, particularly when so many children utilise the aquatic centre facilities.

    - Overdevelopment
    The area of Hornsby is already over developed. We have reached our quota of residences required. This proposed development is not being built to further improve the quality of life or housing availability of current residents but purely for development’s sake.

    - Lack of Schools & Recreational Facilities
    There are not enough schools or recreational facilities in Hornsby. The schools in the area are already overcrowded. Adding more residences will add further strain and negatively impact the quality of life of the existing residents.

    I implore you to make the right decision for the residents of Hornsby and its’ surrounding communities.

  3. Dr Jon Wilson commented

    I object to this proposal. I agree 100% with the views expressed by Rachael Guest

  4. Clark Lam commented

    The Westside of Hornsby needs to be developed to bring it to the 21st century.
    We need a proper CBD with new shops, offices, facilities etc to create jobs and vibrancy in the area.
    So I agree with the development as long as concerns about infrastructure is addressed. It is time to do something.
    We've had a redevelopment planning passed and approved for almost 7 years and nothing has happened so far. The time is now.

  5. Mr Li commented

    Please leave the West side alone this proposal should be thrown out! The traffic in the area is already abhorrent and the West side had a great Heritage feel!!!!! Please do not allow this to happen, please stop turning Hornsby into a High rise slum. Please Mr Ruddock we voted for you to PROTECT our SHIRE. Enough is enough I do hope the citizens of the shire join together on this one and FIGHT the GOOD FIGHT to protect our Shire from over development. Hornsby Shire has exceeded it's state housing quota and guess what the roads are congested, the hospital is full, the schools are full, the Dr waits are 2 hours as the medical centres are full, we have Westfield we dont need anymore shops! It is time to draw a line in the sand and stand up to greed and developers and say enough is enough!

  6. Kathy Wallace commented

    I object to this development on the following grounds:-

    * Does not reflect community attitudes as to how the Westside should be developed - past community consultation indicated the community wants the westside to avoid the high rise nature of the east side with preference to lowrise community orientated spaces and development

    *Heritage - simply retaining a small facade of 2 buildings and relocating the preschool building within the site is considered in the DA docs as "a modern interpretation" of the heritage streetscape - all I see is basically surrounding the 2 heritage small sections of the development facade as surrounded by modernistic buildings - with no real connection

    * Out of character - 2 towers (13 & 21 storeys) is totally inappropriate size and scale for that precinct - the top heavy nature of the building design (where the higher floors of the 21 storey tower have a bigger floorplate size than the street level) makes it look totally unappealing visually

    * Traffic congestion - ask any Hornsby resident and they will tell you that traffic is becoming a nightmare in the area. The traffic report in the DA docs also indicates that many areas within Hornsby have been identified as being at close to capacity at peak times. This will only make it worse. There is the common developer/council line that people should use public transport more. Sure, if your destination is within the current public transport infrastructure and you are not tied to getting kids to/from school etc - it is unreasonable to expect everyone to get everywhere by public transport. Improve commuter infrastructure first please.

    * Pressures on schools, childcare etc - although the DA hints at inclusion of a day care facility - the shire is already at breaking point with schools etc - this needs to be addressed before adding more people to the area.

    *Construction management - I am already living with the nightmare of construction next to me (old Centrelink site) - I pity the poor residents and existing local business owners coping with the trucks/noise/dust and disruptions that occur - to date all complaints to Council regarding works outside DA conditions have not resulted in any action/fines being taken against developers. Residents always lose out.

    *Environmental impact - We all have heard the "bushland shire" being spoken of, but we are quickly losing the sense of the bush when monstrous building developments like these are springing up everywhere - the landscaping reports attached to the DA show little (if any) streetside landscaping - with references to rooftop gardens and central podium areas only getting a superficial treatment of plantings. As they talk in the reports of the development being at the gateway to Hornsby, it is sad that there is no greenery in sight.

    Please do not allow this development to be approved.

  7. Marie R Kibble commented

    I have lived in Hornsby Shire for over 40 years and have read of proposed developments for the 'old side' of Hornsby on and off over those years and still nothing much has happened.
    Please just get on with it. In my view, which I accept is probably not a widely popular one, the West side is run down, unappealing, windswept and desperately in need of redevelopment. I am at a loss to know what the 'Heritage' aspect is - there are a couple of facades that might be worth saving but really, where is the so called 'Village atmosphere' and 'Heritage aspect'? I'm beginning to think it is in the minds of wishful thinkers! Planning has to be for the future but also, if at all possible, has to save what is historically relevant to the past. Hornsby Council will have to find a way to manage the traffic concerns legitimately raised by the naysayers and other issues of concern. Increased traffic will no doubt be affected too by the RSL future development plans but with careful planning and good management surely a solution can be reached. Good luck!
    PS With burgeoning population growth in the Shire I feel that the schools' capacity to cope with increased and ever-increasing enrolments needs to be addressed very soon.

  8. Ben commented

    I agree with Marie. The west Side needs some revitalisation to bring Hornsby to a new era. However, some points need to be considered
    1. Maintaining the heritage facade and development are not conflicting each other. Development does not mean demolishing all historic memories. On the contrary, a good design should utilise these heritages.
    2. Whether the number of units is excess. Hornsby and Waitara have a lot of existing apartments and units . Some people believe the market has already the warning of over supply. Time will prove it right or wrong. But one thing for sure is we don't want the new development to have a negative impact on these existing apartments and units while attracting more people to live in Hornsby. And most buildings on the west side are single dwelling houses, 21 levels might be too 'outstanding' and break the harmony.
    3. Except the apartments and a supermarkets, the development should provide more commercial and retail opportunities in the public interest. Now I can't even find more than three good restaurants in Hornsby and have to go to other area! Chatswood has both Chase and Westfield attracting residents from both upper and lower north shore. Hornsby as a regional center and transport hub still have a lot of retail and commercial potentials. The new precinct should retain the local residents and also bring in more nearby people. This will also promote the east side as well and create more local job opportunities.

  9. Laikan Ng commented

    Agree 100% with Marie Kibble.
    Let's not block development because of some infrastructure / heritage issues.
    They can be managed at the same time and find solutions instead of a blanket objection to development.
    Come on Hornsby Council let's get cracking and work towards the future, otherwise at the current rate nothing will be done for another decade.
    Hornsby Westside is looking more and more tired looking !!!

  10. Jacqueline Taylor commented

    Two decades ago, I wrote to The Advocate on the matter of the development of the west side. At that stage, I would have liked to see cafes, book shops, pedestrian areas, markets, laneways and trees.

    The west side has been in limbo all of this time. Waiting, waiting, deteriorating and no improvements made as there is scope for large scale plans 'in the future'. I would like a pedestrian light for the crossing from the station, but have been told that as there are bigger plans in motion, there is no point in dealing with such things right now.

    So I am open to suggestions for an evolving population and perhaps Hornsby needs to embrace its standing as a hub/large centre? However maintain trees, communal spaces, ensure parking/traffic flow is well considered and allowance made for cyclists. Encourage places for people to meet, chat and consider the visual aspect of design. Big can be beautiful. Consider how people need to live if residential, ie there needs to be spaces to hang out washing.... keep it contained within the development not out on residents' crowded verandahs, or use shutters. Ensure that open spaces remain and we can feel the sun on our backs and the relief of shade on our cheeks. Ensure good landscaping is incorporated. Be wise with plant choices. The plant choice near the lifts on the Eastern side are poor. They are forever yellow. Better choices could have been made.

  11. Mr Li commented

    I object to this development on the following grounds:-

    Westside should be developed in accordance with community consultation - residence in the immediate made it clear that the area was to maintain the low rise of the westside to avoid the high rise nature of the east side.

    Heritage - simply retaining a small facade of 2 buildings and relocating the preschool building within the site is considered in the DA docs as "a modern interpretation" of the heritage streetscape - Hornsby will look like Chatswood and North Sydney you will destory the village feeling.

    Extremely out of character for this immediate area - 2 towers is totally inappropriate size and scale for that precinct - the top heavy nature of the building design (where the higher floors of the 21 storey tower have a bigger floorplate size than the street level) makes it look totally unappealing visually and loose all village feeling

    Traffic congestion, Hornsby is already over burned with roads it can take 15-20 minutes to travel 1km along Petes Ferry or George Street. The traffic report in the DA docs also indicates that many areas within Hornsby have been identified as being at close to capacity at peak times. This will only make it worse. There is the common developer/council line that people should use public transport more. Sure, if your destination is within the current public transport infrastructure and you are not tied to getting kids to/from school etc - it is unreasonable to expect everyone to get everywhere by public transport. All our local streets are parked out by unit dwellers with the average 2.5 cars to 1 car space.

    Pressures on schools, Hospital, Doctors, childcare etc - although the DA hints at inclusion of a day care facility - the shire is already at breaking point with schools and the local Hospital - this needs to be addressed before adding more people to the area.

    Construction management this is a busy precinct for buses taxis, rail buses and station drop off and pick up. There is no way this will not impact daily lives of those trying to move around the village

    Environmental impact - We all have heard the "bushland shire" being spoken of, but we are quickly losing the sense of the bush when monstrous building developments like these are springing up everywhere - the landscaping reports attached to the DA show little (if any) streetside landscaping - with references to rooftop gardens and central podium areas only getting a superficial treatment of plantings. As they talk in the reports of the development being at the gateway to Hornsby, it is sad that there is no greenery in sight.

    Hornsby Council have EXCEEDED State Housing Quotas go build this in Gordon which is actually Zoned for it

    Please do not allow this development to be approved this has significant ramifications for future generations and a burden to existing infrastructure.

  12. Ben commented

    Further to my previous comments, Hornsby is developing the quarry, which can be developed in conjuction with the west side. In order to attract tourists, there should be hotels or service apartments considered. Hornsby, in mid way between city and central coast, should do better to serve tourists or hikers.
    As far as I know, Ryde provides free shuttle bus to Top Ryde. Why can’t we have the same service to bring local and nearby people to Westfiled and the west side precinct? The developer can also share part of the costs as more people more profits for them. This can also help the local traffic.

  13. Vandra Mellers commented

    I thought we had put this issue to bed! This development is just not in character with this local area. The following are some of the issues concerning this development.

    Traffic:- currently in peak hour, and other busy times traffic just crawls through this area. Add another few hundred dwellings with their accompanying cars and this area will turn into a polluted traffic jam.

    Car parking:- is at exhaustive levels already on the east side. There just has to be a function on at council or the RSL club, and parking is at a premium.

    Out of character:- the east side of Hornsby is lucky to still retain some of the old charm of yesterday. Fake facades with towering buildings will just not do justice to what remains of old Hornsby.

    Overdevelopment:- I think Hornsby has more than paid for the State governments eye for development. The quiet suburb of Asquith is just full of towers. Our beautiful bushland shire is becoming another casualty of State government planning.

  14. diane c holdsworth commented

    I read that Hornsby has already filled 96% of its obligation to provide added accomodation and that we are some years ahead of doing that in any case

    the concept of high rise also on the old side, on top of what is on the east side is simply obscene. I live where I can see the blocks of units. With tree removal and build of towers.....the skyline is hugely changed. Lovely twinkly lights to look at at night for me....but generally a nightmare to navigate. So..... I personally simply do not. Online shopping works well for me and looses business to local shops. I will not be the only one

    It is time to stop. The whole place is a shoppers/parking nightmare generally and no place for anyone with any sort of disability wanting /needing to move between "sides"

    diane

  15. John Way commented

    Increase frequency services especially weekend 575 route...its a joke now and earlier and later services all day...infrastructure should match the over development the money is there...do you want labor to win bradford and berowa?

  16. Rodger commented

    We need again to look at the proposal to make old mans valley ,valley road a gated community, top of Pretoria parade Gated, top of Rosemead Gated , we don't want that type of development hear keep it in the Train station Westfield part of Hornsby .

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