366 Darling Street Balmain NSW 2041

Description
Alterations and additions to existing building and use of the premises for a food and drink premises (pub and cafe)
Planning Authority
Inner West Council
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Reference number
DA/2022/0802
Date sourced
We found this application on the planning authority's website on , about 3 years ago. It was received by them earlier.
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Dear Inner West Council

We have received notification of the DA/2022/0802 for the old Town Hall Hotel.

Whilst we appreciate the nature of encouraging businesses and keeping properties maintained for future generations, we object to this current DA.

The re-opening of this pub at 366 Darling St, would be a backward step for council when they have been encouraging shop-top housing, this pub would cause issues for local residents and their families living in these areas along Darling, Rowntree and Montague streets.

Some of the attached reports listed on the councils website and attached to the DA also seem to ignore the fact and not show that there are indeed residential buildings and other “shop-top housing” opposite in Darling st, and down Rowntree street, and any business operating to 2am will affect residents and their families, especially any outdoor terraces.

It also contradicts having doors to the premises closed to reduce noise created by patrons, yet such patrons and associated noises always increase with the consumption of alcohol in these instances. At later hours when there is reduced traffic, noise created will travel and be quite audible to these residents with families in the areas adjacent and opposite this business.

All the DA documents and all photos attached in those reports are based on the assumptions that it is a commerical area which as mentioned above is incorrect, some of these properties have been there for 2-3 years. The properties across the road are being described as commerical only, yet are in fact shop-top housing accommodation. Any reports and photos should show this is the fact, this would seem they are trying to skirt around the fact there are residents with families nearby who will be impacted.

Most residents who work normal 9-5 hours and have children will be impacted by any closure at 2am and impact their wellbeing and sense of relaxation, there should not be any external areas that can been seen from the public domain were people are seen drinking all day and into the night, it should not be allowed, any pub operating if allowed should have a reasonable closing time of 11pm that would seem more appropriate, there are other pubs around the vicinity which close before midnight.

Another issue is the social impact, pubs that have late closing times always encourage and attract anti social behaviour, such as can be seen in other areas, especially in Kings Cross, and the city area. They also have no patron parking, that will only put untold pressure on the existing limited street spaces and possibly of being under the influence when driving away.

We have approx seven to ten existing pubs, all within 5-10 minutes walk, we do not need another. We already experience intoxicated people from these other pubs in the area creating antisocial behaviour taking up residential parking, blocking access, the rowdy behaviour, sometimes very aggressive behaviour, urinating and defecating in peoples front and rear yards and parking areas which is not a pretty sight to clean up.

Another concern would be the volume of patrons leaving, in various stages of alcohol consumption which as above can be aggressive and anti-social, it may also may lead to accidents occurring being on a busy intersection.

Changing the FSR via a variation 4.6, also exceeds the development levels and increases the above issues and acoustic impacts, having a bigger services section (basement) allows more turnover of patrons and people into the premises that was never designed to accomodate, these impacts flow to the volume of people affecting the local residents and their families, such as noise, parking and behaviour. It is not in the local residents or the publics interest to have another pub in a shared shop-top housing area.

These premises have not been used as a pub for a few years now, and the businesses that were in this property did not impact local residents and closed well before midnight creating no issues or any anti-social behaviour. Any new pub with outdoor terraces will have a detrimental affect on the local residents amenities.

Also there are no public transport options at 2am, so how can they be encouraging patrons to use public transport, most will rely on there own cars, not only clogging local residential parking, and causing noises as they get into and drive away, but also the possibility of being under the influence of alcohol whilst driving away.

Some of the attached reports provided for this DA also seem to not take into account the large number of local residents that indeed have families, enjoy the local lifestyle, close proximity to schools and parks, that living in Balmain area provides, to have another pub that attracts bad behaviour etc, is not something we want to subject our children to.

Therefore I urge Inner West Council to not approve this application in its current form.

Michael
Delivered to Inner West Council

The Town Hall Hotel had been a pub since 1879, well before any of the surrounding residents were born. It is good to see this building being returned to its original purpose. It will help to reinvigorate the nightlife in Darling Street which badly needs a boost after Covid. For people that want a quiet boring suburb then Balmain is not the suburb for you and certainly not to buy next to a hotel.

Ross Mackenzie
Delivered to Inner West Council

Council should approve this application as it rejuvenates an existing hotel and will make it one of the main pubs in Balmain. The community I am sure would support this except for a few with vested interests in keeping the place virtually unused except for a few gym-junkies. It will add life and vitality to the centre of Balmain and the future development of the civic square development around the Town Hall and Balmain Court building currently being developed.

Well done Empire Holding P/L and your architects the Public Design Studio for bravery and determination in getting this done. I just hope you have live music as well.....

Ray Stevens
Delivered to Inner West Council

Please approve this DA.

Way too many balmain pubs have been shut. It’s good to know this fine public institution will be returned to the people of Balmain as a pub and restaurant. I fully back the others who have commented that the pub was built there before any residential buildings were added. If objectors want to live in a quiet suburb then they should move out of Balmain.

Regards
Mike

Mike
Delivered to Inner West Council

I support The Town Hall Hotel being reinstated as a fully functioning pub. When we first discovered Balmain it was an icon of a suburb that had a pulse. So sad to see it languishing in what is essentially the heart of Balmain. We need these old establishments - they are an important part of the colourful history of a suburb that had such an important place in the development of this city. It seems those who object to this development have either forgotten or chosen to deny what has made Balmain such a unique part of Sydney.

Janie Page
Delivered to Inner West Council

I support The Town Hall Hotel being reinstated as a fully functioning pub. When we first discovered Balmain it was an icon of a suburb that had a pulse. So sad to see it languishing in what is essentially the heart of Balmain. We need these old establishments - they are an important part of the colourful history of a suburb that had such an important place in the development of this city. It seems those who object to this development have either forgotten or chosen to deny what has made Balmain such a unique part of Sydney.

Janie Page
Delivered to Inner West Council

The Town Hall Hotel is one of the historic pubs that Balmain is famous for, part of what gives the suburb its verve. Over the past decade far too many of them have closed their doors or reduced operations. I wholeheartedly support the Town Hall Hotel's reopening.

Mark Calabretta
Delivered to Inner West Council

I agree with the Social Impact Assessment; this site at main intersection in the village has languished for too many years. We need the place restored to a functioning pub.

The Social Impact Assessment identifies the following public interest benefits of the proposed use of the premises:
• re-establishment of a popular hotel venue within the Balmain Town Centre,
where there is expressed community support for the return of the Town Hall
Hotel and re-activation of this corner site;
• contribution to the revitalisation of Balmain, including the night trade in Balmain;

The views of the local residents should be considered, but if one chooses to live above the busiest intersection in Balmain then I think the residents should be able to accept the consequential effects of such activity.

I would be disappointed if the views of short-term rental residents prevail in determining the success of this application.

Geoff
Delivered to Inner West Council

As a nearby (and relatively new) resident I'm strongly in favour of this going ahead. With so many pubs from Balmain's working-class history disappearing having one of the most prominent return would be a positive step. The building itself has looked half-abandoned for some time now, and having it renewed and full of life would be a fitting companion story to the facelift of the Balmain Courts opposite.

Steve Smith
Delivered to Inner West Council

Having been a Balmain resident for almost 50 years i have seen the social /economic
make up of Balmain change dramatically over this time.
When we first came to Balmain there were no traffic lights. Sure the Town Hall pub was there but so was a theatre on the opposite corner and a second -hand furniture shop on the other side of the road. There was a large mix of businesses along darling street and a large number of people worked locally. sounds like a village which IT WAS THEN. A very noise dirty village. An open coal loader at white bay emitting black dust mixed with soap smell and bubbles from one of the 2 large soap/cleaning product manufactures in Balmain.
The architecture of mainly working class cottages, manufacturing businesses moving out and its locality to services/entertainment in the city was what changed things.
You can have a quiet location to live in when the city center is 15 minutes away with lots of entertainment options.
People moving in could buy a workers cottage knock it down or do large renovations.
Other people could then see what a great place to down size to Balmain was becoming.
Pubs pumping out loud amplified music no longer fit in and that's one of the reasons they have closed down and more wine bars are taking over.
We already have more restaurants than you can poke a stick at that have a problem competing with other local restaurants plus the rest of the inner west which is slowly following the Balmain trend
The reality is walk down Darling street any day or night and you could be on Military road not King street. Talk of moving to a quiet location we are a quiet location [except for another modern trend the dreaded air conditioner the neighbour points in your direction] and the simple present economics of pup closures reflects the fact that the majority of the present population prefers it this way.

ken
Delivered to Inner West Council

I have been waiting for this ever since The Town Hall pub closed and that became a dead corner - it’s so needed there - as a long term resident of Balmain it’s been sorely missed and whatever’s going on there now is a mess. Bringing back
this pub will give Balmain a lift.

Sandra
Delivered to Inner West Council

Just in case there is any doubts about approving the DA for the Town Hall pub re-opening in its new form - I posted details on a local Facebook page this week, and already 320 people have reacted positively, together with around 30 comments from people welcoming its re-opening.
It will be a delight to have life back on the very important 'welcome to Balmain' corner.

Lyn
Delivered to Inner West Council

I strongly support the proposal to return the Town Hall Hotel to a fully-functioning pub. It will greatly enhance the vitality of Balmain and will be a welcome community-friendly reversal of its recent desolate existence as a closed-door private members club.

Dominic
Delivered to Inner West Council

Being a local resident of Balmain for nearly 7 years, I appreciate that people are keen for the Town Hall hotel development to go ahead. 

Great to keep the character of the old Balmain, and see old run down buildings restored, especially in this conservation/heritage area. Although having an outdoor area for drinking and eating, will create undue noise to the many residents nearby, it will also detract from the original look and streetscrape of the original hotel building, which was not designed for public outdoor areas.

However, my objection to this development is based on the opening hours suggested.  We do not need a pub open till 2am, a more reasonable hour of say 10.30pm to reflect the current area, and for all peoples, i.e. residents and patrons to enjoy.

The Town Hall Hotel development does have residential properties opposite, next to and behind. I believe that the developers have used old photos of the surrounding area which don’t show a correct reflection of what is now here.

Could the opening hours please be reviewed and the local residents considered in this decision.  Thank you

Hope
Delivered to Inner West Council

I object to this application.

For a pub to open till 2am in a built up and shared residential area, is totally unacceptable. The noise and traffic will affect all locals living around this pub.

I also question why the Inner West Council seems to have been selective in sending notifications out and not advised me of this lodged DA as a resident across the street from this property, I only found out by chance recently from a neighbour.

Any application should be sent to all people whether they are residential or commerical to allow a fair process, in this instance it seems this is not the case.
All residents in the surrounding area, which may be affected by this application need to be advised so they can make a fair assessment for themselves and object or agree as they see fit.

Thank you

Chris
Delivered to Inner West Council

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