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This is a hazardous intersection already and increasing users and traffic at peak times will create further pressure on this road way.
I do not believe the infrastructure (road width) of feeder roads off Hale Rd are able to support increased traffic.
This is a busy and dangerous intersection at present which will likely be worsened with this development. As it is so busy many school parents sit idle on unwin avenue waiting for their children, making it time consuming and tricky to get out of the street at peak times. Adding a childcare with the entry/exit point in unwin avenue will further put pressure on this street.
As a local resident and user of Hale Road during its peak times of school drop offs and pickups I’m against this proposal which would add more traffic to an already congested area with heavy pedestrian usage. The pedestrians are largely school age children , and making this and surrounding intersections which they use busier is dangerous.
Being a local resident I am concerned about this development. The surrounding streets, Unwin, Ailsa, Glenelg are already used to cut through to Empire Ave from Hale; making these streets busier than designed for; and the cars tend to speed through these roads creating hazards for the residents. This development would increase the traffic flow significantly, thereby increasing the local residents risk exposure and decreasing our enjoyment of our surroundings.
This looks like a big Centre with very few car parking spots that would be better suited closer to a more commercial area or sporting precinct that is designed to take more traffic and have overflow parking options. I assume a need for another childcare in the suburb has been identified? We are fairly well serviced already. Shouldn’t this be built closer to were it is needed.
Such a busy intersection during peak times. Limited road visibility from the corner
Hale parents use Unwin as a parking spot whilst waiting to pick up their children
This alone creates traffic congestion and hazards.
This proposal clearly has not been given the thought and consideration it deserves; this is an extremely busy crossroad intersection which does not have the surrounding infrastructure to allow for increased traffic and already presents a dangerous situation for pedestrians and other road users.
This is a busy and dangerous intersection at present which will likely be worsened with this development. As it is so busy many school parents sit idle on unwin avenue waiting for their children, making it time consuming and tricky to get out of the street at peak times. Adding a childcare with the entry/exit point in unwin avenue will further put pressure on this street.
The design, location and traffic issues around this proposed site clearly have not been well thought through in application.
Interesting Nido positions itself as Reggio Emilia based learning centre - because if it actually was that, the aesthetic, design and interaction with the community's built and natural environment would be significantly different. It would be lower profile; a creative design; considerate of neighbours either side; and complementary with the 'woodlands' of Wembley Downs. Reggio Emilia approaches are hugely respectful and engaged with community.
What is proposed here is a huge two storey rectangular block, with a play area stuck next to a very busy road with fumes and an already dangerous intersection; plus a strip of car parks next to a neighbour's home. All in a residential area.
Absolutely nothing about it's design is about nature; child development within a natural setting or respectful of the community within it's reach.
Let's not pretend. Child care centres can be done so much better than this. Reggio Emilia would unlikely put their brand to it. The social ethics of this development are way off!
As per AS2890, the Australian standard car bay is 2.4 m wide by 5.4 m long (12.96sqm).
80 children need approximately 20 educator (4:1 ratio) plus some admin stuff so need about 110 car bay if everyone pickup their children at the same time. This means 110x12.96= 1,425 sqm plus the proper drive way. The planned centre is about 1,900sqm so of course won’t plan for such a large car park. In fact they only planned for 27 car parks, which mostly will be used by educators. So where are parents going to park the car? The answer is obvious, along the street. But the Hale school is also nearby and parents from school are already parking along Unwin and Alisa street. So it’s very obvious that the planned centre will create a big problem for traffic and parking. It’s going to be really dangerous for the school kids around the area. We’ve heard news in Sydney cars crashed on to young age school kids in front of the school. Do we want such news happen in our local community? Please consider the impact, plan the whole infrastructure then plan for this childcare centre.
This intersection is a dangerous corner with blind spot and sharp turning. Our driveway is often blocked by cars whose picking up kids from Hale school. Unwin avenue is not suitable for a large childcare centre, without sufficient visitor car bays available. The traffic impact statement in DA21/0729 has the conclusion of ‘Moderate Impact’ for the proposed project by using the irrelevant QLD research data. They also compared two local WA childcare centres but none of them are located close to the large schools with more than 1,000 students.
There are no daily traffic volume data available for Unwin avenue. As local residents, we know this street better than everyone else. Refer to DA page 10, section 4.2 Table 1 Traffic impact, the conclusion of unreasonable adverse impact on traffic flow, safety and/or management of the immediate road network is not considered accurate. This project is not add value to our community and I don’t think it is demanded to have childcare centre in the residential area.
I am against this proposal for several reasons-
1. The intersection of Hale rd and Unwin Ave is already dangerous- very heavy traffic on weekdays from 7 - 9am and 3 - 6pm. Vehicles travel far in excess of the 60 km/hr (or 40 km/hr in school zones) limit. Many students, cyclists, dog-walkers are using these streets at peak times. There is much frustration about the traffic conditions.
2. There is already very limited off-street parking for residents on the south side of Hale Rd and Unwin Ave- multiple verge restrictions apply, which means residents need to park extra vehicles along Unwin Ave. This causes even more frustration for those residents who already have to tolerate parents dropping and picking up students at Hale school, parked all along both sides of Unwin Ave.
3. As a resident of Hale Rd, it is very difficult to exit my driveway at most hours of the day. The council admits that the average speed of vehicles coming up Hale Rd from Churchlands is 65 km/hr. Any increase in vehicle numbers will surely cause many near misses.
4. As a resident of Hale rd I have not received any communication regarding this proposed child-care centre.
5. Any increase in traffic along this section of road will reduce the value of my property.
I would like some communication from City of Stirling regarding this proposal, and what measures will be undertaken to reduce traffic congestion, reduce vehicle speeds along Hale Rd, and maintain current community expectations of a safe place to cross Hale Rd with children, pets, etc
I am against the proposed development at 159 Hale Road and 24 Unwin Ave for several reasons.
1)The intersection is already a dangerous intersection with many near misses and aggressive interactions between users on the road. Along with the majority of the cross intersections along Hale road between Weaponess Rd and Pearson Street. As a user of Hale Road frequently, I encounter near misses and minor bingles weekly if not daily. As well as road rage, aggressive displays between people as well as more serious accidents on a regular basis.
2)The intersections of Unwin Ave and Hale as well as Glenleg Ave and Hale are extremely busy and dangerous as many people try to cross Hale road directly or cross the road and try to merge with the flow of traffic on Hale Road. These particular intersections are greatly affected by the flow of parents//guardians coming from Hale school at drop off and pick up times as well as those later in the afternoon.
3)I am a resident of Hale Road and I was not notified of the proposed child care center that will greatly affect the flow of traffic in an already congested Unwin Ave and Hale road. I am already tailgated regularly when trying to slow down and turn into my own driveway in peak time. This will be greatly affected by the increased number of cars who will merge quickly on to Hale to try and fit into a small break in traffic on Hale.
4)The proposed building is a very large and not a subtle building at all and will not compliment the surrounding residential buildings. It is not in line with the residential buildings it is proposed to be directly near.
5)There is already limited parking on Unwin Ave on the south side of Hale road, greatly affecting the local residents as well as the flow of traffic through the Unwin Ave trying to dodge parked cars along the road. These parked cars are increased at peak times as parents of Hale school sit idle on the road.
6) no consideration has been given to the decrease in property value that will occur to houses in the residential area when a large scale commercial building is added to the congested intersection.
7) The proposed child care centre has proposed play area of the centre be placed along side an extremely busy Hale road and I have great concern to the exposure from car fumes to these young children as well as exposed danger to out of control cars from the aggressive driving displayed at this intersection as drivers make unsafe decisions to try to cross the road due to the lacking alternatives to cross Hale Road.
For these reasons and many more I am greatly opposed to the proposed child care centre and there is a strong objection from the community as a whole for the placement of the centre in this area.
As a local resident I’m against this proposal. There are many serious concerns about air quality and pollutions caused by the increasing traffic movements and congestions. Many studies have shown that motor vehicle emission pollutions are extremely harmful to health and will cause many serious health issues. However, this proposal has not shown any considerations.
Motor vehicles emit an array of carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides, hydrocarbons and particulate matter that has adverse impacts on community wellbeing and air quality. Particulate matter, mostly particles under 2.5 micrometers in diameter (PM2.5), can penetrate the lungs and can contribute to cardiovascular illness and death. Vehicle emissions have significant effects on the cardio-respiratory system and are known to contribute to reduced lung function, heart disease, stroke, respiratory illnesses, and lung cancer as well as have effects on asthma and allergy sufferers. Air pollution alone is estimated to contribute to a 68 per cent increase in deaths between 2005 and 2010 in Australia. (Reference: Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development. (2016). Vehicle emissions standards for cleaner air: Draft Regulation Impact Statement. https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/environment/forum/files/Vehicle_Noxious_Emissions_RIS.pdf)
Increasing traffic flows through existing transport system creates congestions. This will slow down traffic movements on Hale road, Unwin Avenue, Buntine Road and etc. Motor vehicles will produce higher level of emissions at low speed (less than 20kph). (Reference: Wollongong Studies in Geography (1984). Problems in the urban environment: traffic congestion and its effects https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=wollgeo)
This proposal has shown that children outdoor playing areas are located near Hale Road. Main Roads WA data indicates that Hale Road carries approximately 17,300 vehicles per day. These vehicles will produce large amount of emissions. Children's exposure to a high concentration of car emissions should be specially considered because their immune system and lungs are not fully developed.
In addition, being an 82 children childcare with 15 staff, there would be an estimated 200 times of car starting per day within the childcare car park. Including the current traffic movements, this would cause an extremely high concentration of car emission within this residential area. The air pollution and PM2.5 would be huge risks to local residents.
As a local resident I’m against this proposal. There are many serious concerns about air quality and pollutions caused by the increasing traffic movements and congestions. Many studies have shown that motor vehicle emission pollutions are extremely harmful to health and will cause many serious health issues. However, this proposal has not shown any considerations.
Motor vehicles emit an array of carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides, hydrocarbons and particulate matter that has adverse impacts on community wellbeing and air quality. Particulate matter, mostly particles under 2.5 micrometers in diameter (PM2.5), can penetrate the lungs and can contribute to cardiovascular illness and death. Vehicle emissions have significant effects on the cardio-respiratory system and are known to contribute to reduced lung function, heart disease, stroke, respiratory illnesses, and lung cancer as well as have effects on asthma and allergy sufferers. Air pollution alone is estimated to contribute to a 68 per cent increase in deaths between 2005 and 2010 in Australia. (Reference: Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development. (2016). Vehicle emissions standards for cleaner air: Draft Regulation Impact Statement. https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/environment/forum/files/Vehicle_Noxious_Emissions_RIS.pdf)
Increasing traffic flows through existing transport system creates congestions. This will slow down traffic movements on Hale road, Unwin Avenue, Buntine Road and etc. Motor vehicles will produce higher level of emissions at low speed (less than 20kph). (Reference: Wollongong Studies in Geography (1984). Problems in the urban environment: traffic congestion and its effects https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=wollgeo)
This proposal has shown that children outdoor playing areas are located near Hale Road. Main Roads WA data indicates that Hale Road carries approximately 17,300 vehicles per day. These vehicles will produce large amount of emissions. Children's exposure to a high concentration of car emissions should be specially considered because their immune system and lungs are not fully developed.
In addition, being an 82 children childcare with 15 staff, there would be an estimated 200 times of car starting per day within the childcare car park. Including the current traffic movements, this would cause an extremely high concentration of car emission within this residential area. The air pollution and PM2.5 would be huge risks to local residents.
This intersection is dangerous at the best of times and will only become worse with increased traffic and putting young children in the mix. With a new child care centre this will now exacerbate the situation with staff parking and the congestion of drop off and pick up times, which one can only assume will coincide with Hale school times. Please do a more investigation before considering this application as if you knew the intersection (which I avoid because it is dangerous) you would know this is not a suitable position.
I object to this development, it is not in keeping with the local area, its design is not in keeping with the local area, the location already suffers from significant traffic and people parking on the road due to Hale High school parents dropping off and picking up their kids. Deploying an oversized day care centre will exacerbate the issue. The car park as proposed is not in keeping with the local area.
The bind corner is very dangerous at the moment already. We can’t afford to add a lot more traffic. During the peak hour at the moment, we need to wait long time to be able to turn right into Hale road. The added traffic also make more risk for students walking to and from school. Also kids at Unwin Avenue cannot play on the street anymore. This kind of big childcare should be built close to park to commercial area so there are more traffic controls there and more parking spaces. Fore this pure residential area, it is not a good place for such a big childcare.
I object to this development, it is not in keeping with the local area, its design is not in keeping with the local area, the location already suffers from significant traffic and people parking on the road due to Hale High school parents dropping off and picking up their kids. Deploying an oversized day care centre will exacerbate the issue. The car park as proposed is not in keeping with the local area.
The bind corner is very dangerous at the moment already. We can’t afford to add a lot more traffic. During the peak hour at the moment, we need to wait long time to be able to turn right into Hale road. The added traffic also make more risk for students walking to and from school. Also kids at Unwin Avenue cannot play on the street anymore. This kind of big childcare should be built close to park to commercial area so there are more traffic controls there and more parking spaces. Fore this pure residential area, it is not a good place for such a big childcare.
I object to the child care development planned on corner of Unwin and Hale.
For reasons listed below;
1. This is an already dangerous intersection which is difficult to turn on to or cross over Hale Road.
- There is limited vision of traffic rounding the curve on Hale Road towards the ocean.
- There is limited vision of traffic coming up the hill on Hale Road towards the city.
- if driving along Hale towards ocean, turning left onto Unwin, again limited visibility and a sharp turn whilst cars will be trying to enter and exit Carpark will be an accident waiting to happen.
2. Unwin Ave is a very narrow street with already limited parking options for residents. Subdivided blocks predominantly on one side equal reduced parking options. School traffic exacerbates this, making it difficult to drive through during peak hours. It will be impossible to get in and out of the childcare car park safely at that intersection.
3. Unwin is narrow street, which leads to Ailsa street which is also narrow and already has speed bumps to reduce speed of drivers. We don’t need more traffic through these narrow streets that are not built for this increase volume of cars.
The placement of this centre is completely inappropriate and a less congested, narrow , dangerous location should be considered
