6 Keda Circuit, North Richmond, NSW

Centre Based Child Care Facility - Demolition of Existing Structures, Construction of a 78 Place Centre-Based Child Care Facility, Outdoor Play Areas, Basement Car Parking and Landscaping

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website about 2 months ago. It was received by them 2 days earlier.

(Source: Hawkesbury City Council, reference DA0233/20)

17 Comments

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  1. Colleen Turnbull commented

    This proposed development will exacerbate already dangerous traffic conditions. Traffic is already gridlocked around the area with no proposals to improve access . Although the proposed development is innocuous in itself the site is not suitable .

  2. Matthias Boer commented

    The proposed development at 6 Keda Circuit North Richmond (DA0233/20) of a two-storey childcare centre with a capacity of 78 children and 11 staff on a residential block will create significant noise problems for immediate neighbours and will worsen existing traffic problems:
    i) According to the Noise Impact Assessment (Table 5-4) the noise emission from outdoor play activities by 50% of the children is predicted to be 47 dB for adjoining residences to the West, East and South of the childcare centre, thus exceeding the 46 dB criterion. Given uncertainties in the noise modelling the noise emission from the outdoor area is likely to exceed the 46 dB criterion for a significant fraction of the day, impacting on residents of adjoining properties who work from home.
    ii) There is only as single access point at Grose Vale Rd-Sunnyside Crescent to all properties on Keda Circuit, Patya Place, Matheson Avenue, Enfield Avenue and Sunnyside Crescent. This access point is already severely gridlocked during morning and afternoon rush hours. Parking in Sunnyside Cres by parents of children attending North Richmond Public School adds significantly to the problem. School buses often get stuck and students are getting late to school. Access for Emergency Services is inadequate for several hours each day. The additional traffic associated with the operation of the proposed childcare centre (approx.: 78x child drop-off + 78x pick-up + 11 staff in + staff out car trips coinciding with existing peak traffic times) would significantly reduce road access in and out of the single access point for the entire neighbourhood. There is no proper pedestrian access either and no sidewalks for much of the neighbourhood.

  3. Ruth Murray commented

    There is only one street entrance (Sunnyside Cr) from Grose Vale Rd into the Residential area where the proposed Child Care Centre will be located. Already there is a considerable traffic grid lock in the morning to exit into Grose Vale Rd especially in "peak hour" when majority of children will be dropped off. There is a potential for an extra 78 cars coming into a quiet narrow street. Council please actually listen to our comments.

  4. Ruth Murray commented

    There is only one street entrance (Sunnyside Cr) from Grose Vale Rd into the Residential area where the proposed Child Care Centre will be located. Already there is a considerable traffic grid lock in the morning to exit into Grose Vale Rd especially in "peak hour" when majority of children will be dropped off. There is a potential for an extra 78 cars coming into a quiet narrow street. Council please actually listen to our comments.

  5. Christine Skurray commented

    This proposal will add to the already traffic problems for people living in Keda Circuit, Matheson Avenue, Patna Place, Enfield Avenue and Sunnyside Crescent with only one access out onto Grose Vale Road. In the mornings and afternoons during school pick ups and drop offs a very dangerous situation occurs at the Sunnyside Cr and Grose Vale intersection. Adding over 70 extra cars to this situation is just asking for a serious accident to occur.

    Putting a commercial venture such as this with 70 plus cars moving in and out of narrow suburban streets plus the added noise levels of children playing outside is grossly unfair to residents in the area. Many moved here for the peace and quiet which will no longer exist. This proposal is completely unsuited to our suburban area and I beg the local council not to let it go ahead.

  6. Christine Skurray commented

    The only people who were notified of this proposal were the people whose properties abutted number 6 Keda Circuit. This is grossly unfair as it will affect the lifestyle and health of everyone living in the area.

  7. Christine Skurray commented

    The only people who were notified of this proposal were the people whose properties abutted number 6 Keda Circuit. This is grossly unfair as it will affect the lifestyle and health of everyone living in the area.

  8. Pamela Burton commented

    This is a proposal placing a commercial business in a suburban street
    The traffic is horrendous now takes up to a half on hour to get out of Sunnyside
    CCeescent. All the parents will park in the street, and in our driveways because
    they will not bother to go in the car park.We have got no footpaths in the streets
    which will make it worse. Would like to know why we were all not notified of this and
    a.neighbour had to inform us. .This proposal is ridiculous. It is not the area for it.

    DA 0233/20.

  9. Terry Freeman commented

    I wish to express the following concerns regarding the proposed development of 6 Keda Circuit into a 78 place Child Care Centre:
    1. The increased traffic flow coming and going during drop off and pick up times will greatly exacerbate the already choked intersection of Sunnyside Crescent and Grose Vale Road. This intersection is the only access to Keda Circuit, Matheson Avenue, Sunnyside Crescent, Enfield Avenue and Patya Place. Drop off and pick up time will coincide with peak traffic on Grose Vale Road and Bell's Line of Road and with the school start and finish time for North Richmond Public School. Parents park on both sides of the road here creating a bottle neck. It is a dangerous intersection. The new housing development at Redbank has significantly increased the traffic streaming down Grose Vale Road in the morning and up from the lights and Riverview street in the afternoon. It is near on impossible to get out of the intersection at Grose Vale Road and Sunnyside now let alone add this extra traffic in. It is beyond ridiculous. ALL residents in this part of North Richmond will be negatively impacted by this development NOT just the immediate neighbours of 6 Keda Circuit.
    2. The noise levels quoted in the submission are for only 50% of the children ever being allowed to play outside at any given time. One can reasonably assume that these noise levels will double when ALL the children are outside. This is a more realistic expectation of a typical days' routine.
    3. Living next door at 8 Keda Circuit, I would like to see a detailed drainage plan for this development. This is missing from the current submission. My concerns are that run off from this property will end up in my back yard - in particular my shed. This is not a invalid concern as the land at 6 Keda Circuit is higher than 8 Keda Circuit.

  10. Michael and Maree Watterson commented

    Firstly we would like to express our disappointment with Hawkesbury City Council on the fact that we were not directly contacted re the development proposal for 6 Keda Circuit North Richmond.
    Nor were we advised of a development proposal for the construction of 15 units in Sunnyside Crescent.
    Sadly both occasions we were informed by neighbours, not our local Hawkesbury council!

    We have resided at 15 Keda Circuit for 39 years and do not support the proposed develop of a 78 place childcare centre at 6 Keda Circuit, North Richmond.

    Keda Circuit is a quiet residential area with no thru traffic and minimal vehicle movements.

    Currently there would not be 30 vehicle movements a day past 6 Keda Circuit; this is a quiet residential street.

    It is important to note that access to the proposed centre is limited to one road thru a higly congested intersection during peak periods;

    All vehicle access to or from Keda Circuit must pass thru the Sunnyside Crescent and Grose Vale Road intersection.
    Sunnyside Crescent, 7.8 metres wide, is the only vehicle access for all properties on Keda Circuit, Patya Place, Matheson Avenue, Enfield Avenue and Sunnyside Crescent. One way in, one way out, all vehicles accessing the proposed facility will have to retrace their journey back to the main road, Grose Vale Rd.

    Grose Vale Road leads to Bells Line of Road and in morning peak periods neither road can cope with traffic demands causing long delays due to an inadequate river crossing bridge. The intersection of Grose Vale Rd and Sunnyside Crescent regularly experiences dangerous congestion caused by parking of cars in Sunnyside Crescent seriously restricting access to the intersection along with the congestion on Grose Vale Road. To further complicate the traffic on Grose Vale Road a pedestrian crossing is located next to the intersection feeding the main entrance for students to the Richmond North Primary School, vehicular access to the school is also included in this intersection.
    Adding further to our concerns, we understand there is 15 units to be built in Sunnyside Crescent that will further add to the demands on the intersection of Sunnyside Crescent and Grose Vale Road. This covers house number 6,8,10 and 12 in Sunnyside Crescent, an increase of 11 residences.

    Grose Vale Road during morning peak times is at absolute capacity with long delays and cues due to several reasons. Firstly a large housing estate has been built a few kilometres up the road, this has caused a huge increase in traffic over the past few years, despite an intersection upgrade with Grose Vale Road and Bells Line of Road traffic still regularly grid locks thru North Richmond heading to Richmond.

    Sadly progress has overtaken our suburb and authorities are unable to keep up. North Richmond is choked with traffic most days at one time or another.

    With public transport being limited, Richmond rail station 4.8 kilometres away and limited bus services and no hard service foot path connection to the proposed centre with North Richmond, we believe all children will be dropped off/ picked up by car. This will generate extra demand on the already congested roads as most trips will occur around school start and finish times which is also peak period for Grose Vale Road.

    The additional traffic associated with the operation of the proposed childcare centre estimated at 78 drop offs and 11 staff each morning will equate to an extra 167 vehicle movements thru the Grose Vale Road/Sunnyside Crescent intersection each morning with a further 167 vehicles each afternoon/evening this will cause more delays and significantly reduce road access in and out of the single access point for the entire neighbourhood. Not to mention additional service vehicles, waste disposal, cleaners, etc.

    School buses currently experience, and cause, serious issues due to the narrow space left with vehicles parked with school start and finishing times in Sunnyside Crescent which will coincide with the proposed Child Care Centre peak vehicle movements. Not to mention that emergency vehicles like Fire trucks, Ambulances etc access could be impeded.

    Considering the above:

    The parking and traffic Assessment – 6 Keda Circuit Version 1: dated 06/08/2020 appears flawed;
    Section 6 External Traffic Impact. Page 15 The final paragraph of the report reads
    “The estimated peak period traffic generation is of low impact on existing flows on Keda Circuit and the surrounding road network and can readily accommodated without adverse impacts”
    Section 6 Conclusion External Traffic Impact. Page 16
    “It can be concluded from the traffic and parking impact assessment that the proposed childcare centre development at 6 Keda Circuit, North Richmond will not have adverse impacts on existing traffic or parking conditions and is worthy of being supported in its present form.
    • The current traffic flows on Keda Circuit are appropriate for a local road in a mainly residential area, where traffic is free flowing without major queuing or delays in peak hours, with spare capacity.
    GROSE VALE ROAD, THE ONLY FEEDER ROAD TO SUNNYSIDE CRESCENT IS REGULARLY GRID LOCKED IN MORNING PEAK INCLUDES MAJOR CURING AND LONG DELAYS -- NO SPARE CAPACITY.
    • The estimated traffic generation is of low impact on existing flows on Keda Circuit and the surrounding road network. The traffic generated by the proposed childcare centre development can be readily accommodated within the existing road network.
    YES IT IS OF LOW IMPACT ON KEDA CIRCUIT BUT WITH GROSE VALE ROAD/SUNNYSIDE CRESCENT AT MAXIMIUM CAPACITY WITH LONG QUEING AND EXTENSIVE DELAYS IN MORNING PEAKS WE ARE AT A LOSS AS TO HOW THIS TRAFFIC CAN BE READILY ACCOMMODATED IN EXISTING ROAD NETWORK.
    • The potential increase in the number of vehicle movements in and about Keda Circuit and adjacent streets will have no adverse impacts on the amenity of the area.
    WE AGREE ONCE GROSVALE ROAD IS GRID LOCKED IT NO LONGER ADDS TO ADVERSE IMPACT OF THE AREA. PERHAPS THE AUTHOR OF THIS REPORT WOULD ENJOY A TRIP TO THE HAWKESBURY. IT IS CLEAR BY THE COMMENTS OFFERED BY THE AUTHOR THEY HAVE NEVER VISITED THE AREA !
    • The subject site has good access to existing public transport services.
    RICHMOND RAILWAY STATION IS LOCATED 4.8 KILOMETERS AWAY. POOR BUS SERVICE WITH NO FOOTPATH TO OR FROM THE PROPOSED CENTRE MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PARENTS/CARERS WITH PRAMS OR STROLLERS WALKING TO THE CENTRE.
    • The proposed development will not have adverse impact on parking in the surrounding area.
    A 78 PLACE CHILDCARE CENTRE WOULD ON SPECIAL OCCASSIONS LIKE GRADUATIONS, EASTER HAT PARADES, GRAND PARENT DAYS, EDUCATION WEEK ETC. INVITE PROUD FAMILY MEMBERS TO ADMIRE THEIR CHILDREN'S PERFORMANCES. PARKING WILL BE A NIGHTMARE. WITH 20 CAR SPACES, 11 FOR STAFF LEAVING 9 FOR VISITORS THERE WOULD BE A LARGE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED IN KEDA CIRCUIT, REMEMBER, THAT QUITE RESIDENTIAL STREET.

    Below are our Concerns re accuracy of this document;
    Statement of Environmental Effects: Child Care Facility 6 Keda Circuit, Richmond Document set ID: 7157701 Version:1, Version Date: 06/08/2020 -- prepared by Think planners

    This document - has several serious errors.
    1. The address shown on every page of the document is for 6 Keda Circuit,
    Richmond not North Richmond
    2. Under the heading QUALITY ASSURANCE the Council is listed as Richmond, not Hawkesbury City Council
    3. The document references on several occasions close proximity to Richmond Town Centre Pages 5,7,10 and 25; NORTH RICHMOND TOWN CENTRE IS MUCH CLOSER..
    4. Page 25, claims
    o Subject site is located near Richmond Pool and Richmond High School
    o Subject site is located within walking distance of Richmond Retail and commercial district
    o the site is within 250m walking distance of Richmond station
    o The site is an area with appropriate pedestrian permeability
    5. Page 23
    C1 – For proposed development in or adjacent to a residential zone consider:
    A traffic report prepared which demonstrates the development will not result in unacceptable traffic and parking impacts on the amenity of neighbouring properties.
    6. page 34
    3.8 Traffic, parking, and pedestrian circulation
    There will be no impacts on the safe operation of the surrounding road network.
    Traffic Report has been prepared that demonstrates that development will not result in unacceptable traffic and parking impacts on the amenity of neighbouring properties

    THE NOISE IMPACT ASSESSMENT REPORT.
    This part of Keda Circuit has minimal vehicle traffic, less than 30 movements a day.
    We fear our quiet neighbourhood will be destroyed by noises during operation not just by children but also the extra 334 vehicle movements between 7 am till 6 pm.
    We believe the noise impact assessment report is misleading. It is based on only half of the children being allowed to engage in outdoor play at any one time and with no music played in outdoor areas.
    The tendered noise readings showed if these conditions were adhered to table 5.5 shows an exceedance of 1 db.
    5.3.2 also shows that windows must be in certain configurations to keep the indoor play noise just 1db above acceptable levels.
    Who is kidding who?
    These readings should be based on worst case scenario with 50 children 3 – 5 years old playing outside at the same time.
    We live near the proposed centre, on many occasions we can hear students, loud speakers, school bell etc from Richmond North Public School, on weekends we can hear football crowds, speakers etc from Turnbull Oval near Panthers sporting club and we are to believe that we won’t hear a 78 place childcare centre 6 doors up the road?
    Carefully studying the Noise Impact Assessment there is no mention of the impact on noise due to the addition of 334 vehicle movements along with service vehicles.
    We strongly believe there will be significant noise and traffic in our neighbourhood if this childcare centre is allowed to go ahead.

    Thank you for taking the time to review our concerns and objections

    Yours Faithfully,

    Michael and Maree Watterson
    15 Keda Circuit
    North Richmond

  11. Marilyn Farrell commented

    I would like to support the comments made by other residents objecting to this application, particularly those addressing the flaws in the application. Turning right onto Grose Vale Road from Sunnyside Crescent is already difficult any time after 7.30am weekdays, and will be worse if lined up behind cars coming from the childcare centre.
    I also have major concerns about the proposed actual building in terms of its suitability for young children. Having 78 children in a multistory building raises concerns about space, noise level, and access to play outside: is this going to be in shifts? 78 is a huge number for a child care centre on a comparatively small urban block.
    It would also have been appropriate for all residents of the area potentially affected to be notified, not just adjacent properties

  12. Pam Burton commented

    Please do not give us rubbish about fixing up the roads, because nothing has been
    done about the traffic since you haveallowed all the houses to be built on Grose Vale
    Road,and the.traffic has just got worse. Empty promises.

  13. Kathy Ellis commented

    As a family member and former resident of a family owned residence of over 50 years,and still occupied by aging parents, in Sunnyside Crescent ,North Richmond l would like to register my ,and thier,utmost opposition to the proposed Childcare Centre for 6 Keda Circuit at North Richmond.
    Having read the data and application information l could find about this, as well as the very belated notification finally shared with the concerned community area ,rather than ONLY the direct neighbours of the property...l can only conclude that whomever put together the proposal had never actually visited nor researched the site.
    So full of holes and roughly true facts that it pairs perfectly with the holey ,rough roads that will continue to suffer with the extra traffic this proposed business would generate.
    The area already is in gridlock during the time of day most of the proposed extra vehicles would be utilizing it...let alone if anyone needed ambulances,fire services or other emergency vehicles to attend during busy hours....
    It is not appropriate ,safe ,or viable to add a business to a quiet residential area...nor to add to the vehicular congestion that locks it down already.
    Hawkesbury City Council need to carefully consider the repercussions of a decision that would enable the proposal to continue..considering the contribution the overdevelopment without suitable infrastructure that has been allowed in the Redbank developments,and the more recent approval of 15 units soon to start construction in Sunnyside Crescent already, adding another possible 30+ cars to the Sunnyside/ Grose Vale Road gridlock is causing.
    In all good conscience this proposed application must be voted against.

  14. Michael Want commented

    For years, the North Richmond & District Community Action Association (NRDCAA) has been campaigning against traffic congestion west of the River.
    This application DA0233/20) will exacerbate the already dangerous traffic and pedestrian congestion in and around Sunnyside Crescent, Riverview, William, Elizabeth Streets and Grose Vale Road.
    The NRDCAA recalls correspondence to the then Mayor, Councillor Bassett expressing our concerns with the Riverview Street and Grose Vale Road intersection.
    We also recall a reply from Director of Infrastructure Services indicating that once the RMS had upgraded road works around GVR and BLoR intersection the Council would then be in a better position to address the NRDCAA concerns expressed in our correspondence, or words to that effect.
    The NRDCAA is of the very firm view that the Council must lay out a plan and timelines for any work to improve safety and traffic movements prior to approving this DA.
    In addition, the NRDCAA supports the submissions of Colleen Turnbull, Christine Skurray (3) Ruth Murray (2) and Matthias Boer.

    Authorised by Beatriz Insausti President of the NRDCAA CoM.

  15. Christine Skurray commented

    I have just learnt that a 90 place Childcare Centre has already been passed for 7 Elizabeth Street, North Richmond. This will put another 80 odd cars onto Grose Vale Road at peak hour. Along with the already Existing Childcare Centres in Elizabeth Street and Riverview Street, North Richmond and the proposed one in Keda Circuit, surely this is over kill for this suburb.

  16. V Andrew commented

    Being a owner resident of Keda Circuit we strongly object to the proposed Child care centre at No .6 Keda Circuit .
    There are 2 centres very close near the shops .
    Our street is quiet and peaceful
    We have enough trouble entering onto Grose Vale Road with all the illegal parking with parents at the school
    This is completely in the wrong area and not needed .

  17. V Andrew commented

    May I correct my comment re : parents parking at the school ... not all parking illegally
    Only on some occasions they have parked very close to the corner and made the road very narrow
    We actually couldn’t fit our car and caravan down on one occasion
    I apologize as I didn’t mean all parents

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