Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website 13 days ago. It was received by them 1 day earlier.

(Source: Logan City Council, reference BW-1804/2019)

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  1. Maria Dunning wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    We need a community hub, this is not indicative of our community, we do not have first home buyers or young families, client for this centre will be “drop in on your way to work”, Forestdale needs a community hub! Not child care!!!

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Maria Dunning

    Hi Maria
    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Maria Dunning
    Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2019 9:50 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    We need a community hub, this is not indicative of our community, we do not have first home buyers or young families, client for this centre will be “drop in on your way to work”, Forestdale needs a community hub! Not child care!!!

    From Maria Dunning to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Maria Dunning posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Maria Dunning and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:

    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
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  2. Angela Smith commented

    A meeting place , which serves food and beverage and unites our community is what Forestdale needs. A place where people entering Forestdale can meet or as a point of interest. There are plenty of childcare centres elsewhere. Thank you.

  3. Ruth Christensen wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Forestdale is a community which is no longer serviced by public transport, has an active NHW and Facebook community, but sadly lacks a meeting place or a corner store with our closest shopping centre over 4km away. It is a travesty that enquirers have been given the run around and exorbitant rental prices clearly quoted in order to keep the "Forestdale Shopping Centre" vacant so that the child care centre can expand at the expense of other standard community services. At a time when there is so much disconnection among people, it is doubly disappointing that we are not able to have some basic conveniences at the entry to our suburb.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Ruth Christensen

    Hi Ruth
    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Ruth Christensen
    Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2019 10:30 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Forestdale is a community which is no longer serviced by public transport, has an active NHW and Facebook community, but sadly lacks a meeting place or a corner store with our closest shopping centre over 4km away. It is a travesty that enquirers have been given the run around and exorbitant rental prices clearly quoted in order to keep the "Forestdale Shopping Centre" vacant so that the child care centre can expand at the expense of other standard community services. At a time when there is so much disconnection among people, it is doubly disappointing that we are not able to have some basic conveniences at the entry to our suburb.

    From Ruth Christensen to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Ruth Christensen posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Ruth Christensen and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
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  4. Lynne rogers wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Here’s hoping that our local councillor will represent everybody’s concern in council meetings WRT the fact that Forestdalians want shops not child care! It would be interesting to know if there has been a spike in crime since shops have been vacant as I feel this ghost town look encourages thieves into Forestdale and reflects badly on the community.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Lynne rogers

    Hi Lynne

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Lynne rogers
    Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 5:30 AM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Here’s hoping that our local councillor will represent everybody’s concern in council meetings WRT the fact that Forestdalians want shops not child care! It would be interesting to know if there has been a spike in crime since shops have been vacant as I feel this ghost town look encourages thieves into Forestdale and reflects badly on the community.

    From Lynne rogers to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Lynne rogers posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Lynne rogers and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:

    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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  5. Mike Eldridge wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    We require a place to meet with friends & family. There would not be a lot of young families in our direct local community. A day care centre may be used only by people from outside of our area as they travel to work. This may further increase traffic on Johnson Rd.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Mike Eldridge

    Hi Mike
    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Mike Eldridge
    Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 6:50 AM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    We require a place to meet with friends & family. There would not be a lot of young families in our direct local community. A day care centre may be used only by people from outside of our area as they travel to work. This may further increase traffic on Johnson Rd.

    From Mike Eldridge to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Mike Eldridge posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Mike Eldridge and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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  6. Sally Kesby commented

    I agree with all others of our community. We require a bakery and shops and to bring our community together. If they expand the childcare centre it will be very large - do the demographics of our suburb, we do not have the young families to support that. We really need small shops. Our only alternative to purchase bread and milk is to use service stations and large shopping centres which are quite a drive away. Please save our shops! We all want shops and will support them if they come.

  7. Abbey Suter wrote to local councillor Phil Pidgeon

    Having moved to Forestdale in 2018 for the lifestyle of space and community we are bitterly disappointed at this application to change the shops into offices. It’s truly a sad sad day as we have waited for shops to open and then this! The only reason the shops have remained vacant is due to the rent being too high considerably higher than it was previously when the shops were tenanted. I believe this change would be a blow to the commmunity as there is no hub for us to meet and all Forestdale residents would support shops if they were able to establish themselves and afford the lease. This application is incredibly upsetting and should be dismissed, the lease rates assessed as I believe they are inflated to make sure no shop owners are able to afford to establish a business here therefore the lessor can do what he likes. Disgraceful. Money over people basically.

    Delivered to local councillor Phil Pidgeon. They are yet to respond.

  8. Nicky Sainsbury wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Community facilities are vital to maintaining a sense of community and low crime rates. I understand that the profile of Forestdale residents is probably changing but a childcare centre will only meet the needs of a few - and i'm sure the childcare centre users would also appreciate the facilities of some local shops. Please encourage the owners to market the properties at a more realistic level.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Nicky Sainsbury

    Hi Nicky

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Nicky Sainsbury
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 12:12 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Community facilities are vital to maintaining a sense of community and low crime rates. I understand that the profile of Forestdale residents is probably changing but a childcare centre will only meet the needs of a few - and i'm sure the childcare centre users would also appreciate the facilities of some local shops. Please encourage the owners to market the properties at a more realistic level.

    From Nicky Sainsbury to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Nicky Sainsbury posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Nicky Sainsbury and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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  9. A. Floyd-Smith commented

    A critical factor in achieving community and council support for the original daycare development was the undertaking given by the new owner to support the community and existing businesses. This was overtly articulated during community consultation and NW meetings. Plans provided clearly display the full occupancy of the complex of shops at that time (i.e. "Existing Bakery, Medical Centre, Cafe, Hair and Beauty Salon, and Personal Training"). This was demonstrably achievable, as recently as 2016.

    Despite appeals from the community to preserve this historically treasured "hub", actions were reportedly taken by the new owner which affected the viability of these existing small businesses. Vacancies rapidly followed. Morale of residents was notably affected. Subsequently, the community has become aware of multiple approaches, often by locals, with interest in reestablishing the block of shops. It would appear that there has been no genuine appetite to 'meet the current market' to enable this?

    And now, this planning application represents an attempt to remove the last vestiges of the only community infrastructure available to Forestdale as a whole. Expansion of a daycare centre not yet even at capacity, primarily to benefit commuters and profits for the owner (of this and multiple other centers). But nowhere remaining for the locals to even buy a loaf of bread or milk, let alone meet socially, without getting into cars and leaving the suburb.

    Despite paying one of the highest Council rates in the region, Forestdale has no sewerage, no public transport service and very limited mobile coverage. It remains in limbo regarding a major freight route to pass within metres of homes. In my opinion, removing this small retail precinct cannot fail to further affect property values and negatively impact the quality of life of residents. I strongly believe that it is the responsibility of Council, in assessing the merits of this application, to appropriately weigh these ramifications and protect constituents.

  10. Wendy Goulden wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Dear Laurie
    Very disappointed to see this, especially after all the empty promises that were made by the new owner in the beginning.
    This is definitely NOT what the residents of Forestdale want for their community, we want services that will benefit the needs of the majority, not just the few. We need a Corner Store/bakery/café at the very least, which would benefit not just the locals but also the parents and carers of the Child Care Centre.

    We hope you will do whatever you can through Council to stop this proposal gaining approval.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Wendy Goulden

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Wendy Goulden
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 4:38 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Dear Laurie

    Very disappointed to see this, especially after all the empty promises that were made by the new owner in the beginning.

    This is definitely NOT what the residents of Forestdale want for their community, we want services that will benefit the needs of the majority, not just the few. We need a Corner Store/bakery/café at the very least, which would benefit not just the locals but also the parents and carers of the Child Care Centre.

    We hope you will do whatever you can through Council to stop this proposal gaining approval.

    From Wendy Goulden to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Wendy Goulden posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Wendy Goulden and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:

    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
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  11. Wendy Goulden commented

    Very disappointed to see this, especially after all the empty promises that were made by the new owner in the beginning.
    This is definitely NOT what the residents of Forestdale want for their community, we want services that will benefit the needs of the majority, not just the few. We need a Corner Store/bakery/café at the very least, which would benefit not just the locals but also the parents and carers of the Child Care Centre.

  12. A. Floyd-Smith wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    A critical factor in achieving community and council support for the original daycare development was the undertaking given by the new owner to support the community and existing businesses. This was overtly articulated during community consultation and NW meetings. Plans provided clearly display the full occupancy of the complex of shops at that time (i.e. "Existing Bakery, Medical Centre, Cafe, Hair and Beauty Salon, and Personal Training"). This was demonstrably achievable, as recently as 2016.

    Despite appeals from the community to preserve this historically treasured "hub", actions were reportedly taken by the new owner which affected the viability of these existing small businesses. Vacancies rapidly followed. Morale of residents was notably affected. Subsequently, the community has become aware of multiple approaches, often by locals, with interest in reestablishing the block of shops. It would appear that there has been no genuine appetite to 'meet the current market' to enable this?

    And now, this planning application represents an attempt to remove the last vestiges of community infrastructure available to Forestdale as a whole. Expansion of a daycare centre not yet even at capacity, primarily to benefit commuters and profit for the owner (of this and multiple other centers). But nowhere remaining for the locals to even buy a loaf of bread or milk, let alone meet socially, without getting into cars and leaving the suburb.

    Despite paying one of the highest Council rates in the region, Forestdale has no sewerage, no public transport service and very limited mobile coverage. It remains in limbo regarding a major freight route to pass within metres of homes. In my opinion, removing this small retail precinct cannot fail to further affect property values and negatively impact the quality of life of residents. I strongly believe that it is the responsibility of Council, in assessing the merits of this application, to appropriately weigh these ramifications and protect constituents

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to A. Floyd-Smith

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of A. Floyd-Smith
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 4:46 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    A critical factor in achieving community and council support for the original daycare development was the undertaking given by the new owner to support the community and existing businesses. This was overtly articulated during community consultation and NW meetings. Plans provided clearly display the full occupancy of the complex of shops at that time (i.e. "Existing Bakery, Medical Centre, Cafe, Hair and Beauty Salon, and Personal Training"). This was demonstrably achievable, as recently as 2016.

    Despite appeals from the community to preserve this historically treasured "hub", actions were reportedly taken by the new owner which affected the viability of these existing small businesses. Vacancies rapidly followed. Morale of residents was notably affected. Subsequently, the community has become aware of multiple approaches, often by locals, with interest in reestablishing the block of shops. It would appear that there has been no genuine appetite to 'meet the current market' to enable this?

    And now, this planning application represents an attempt to remove the last vestiges of community infrastructure available to Forestdale as a whole. Expansion of a daycare centre not yet even at capacity, primarily to benefit commuters and profit for the owner (of this and multiple other centers). But nowhere remaining for the locals to even buy a loaf of bread or milk, let alone meet socially, without getting into cars and leaving the suburb.

    Despite paying one of the highest Council rates in the region, Forestdale has no sewerage, no public transport service and very limited mobile coverage. It remains in limbo regarding a major freight route to pass within metres of homes. In my opinion, removing this small retail precinct cannot fail to further affect property values and negatively impact the quality of life of residents. I strongly believe that it is the responsibility of Council, in assessing the merits of this application, to appropriately weigh these ramifications and protect constituents

    From A. Floyd-Smith to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    A. Floyd-Smith posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to A. Floyd-Smith and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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    To view Logan City Council's Privacy Collection Notice, please visit http://logan.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-us/privacy.

  13. Leon Bray commented

    Forestdale is a community as well as a location. We need a community centre not a larger childcare centre. We are no longer served by public transport and out community shops have been closed since redevelopment to include the existing child care centre.

    Despite assurances from the current owner of the Forestdale shops, that he was interested in supporting the community, his actions have not been consistent with those statements. Prospective tenants have indicated that the high rents being sought do not reflect the market and prohibit a viable business. It appears to many that this has been a deliberate strategy by the owner, so they can have the shops rezoned as part of the childcare centre

    The Forestdale shops, prior to the redevelopment, provided the community with a focal point, a community "hub". We need viable business to again provide services that support the community. We do not need an increase in childcare services

  14. Leon Bray wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Forestdale is a community as well as a location. We need a community centre not a larger childcare centre. We are no longer served by public transport and out community shops have been closed since redevelopment to include the existing child care centre.

    Despite assurances from the current owner of the Forestdale shops, that he was interested in supporting the community, his actions have not been consistent with those statements. Prospective tenants have indicated that the high rents being sought do not reflect the market and prohibit a viable business. It appears to many that this has been a deliberate strategy by the owner, so they can have the shops rezoned as part of the childcare centre

    The Forestdale shops, prior to the redevelopment, provided the community with a focal point, a community "hub". We need viable business to again provide services that support the community. We do not need an increase in childcare services

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Leon Bray

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Leon Bray
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 5:18 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Forestdale is a community as well as a location. We need a community centre not a larger childcare centre. We are no longer served by public transport and out community shops have been closed since redevelopment to include the existing child care centre.

    Despite assurances from the current owner of the Forestdale shops, that he was interested in supporting the community, his actions have not been consistent with those statements. Prospective tenants have indicated that the high rents being sought do not reflect the market and prohibit a viable business. It appears to many that this has been a deliberate strategy by the owner, so they can have the shops rezoned as part of the childcare centre

    The Forestdale shops, prior to the redevelopment, provided the community with a focal point, a community "hub". We need viable business to again provide services that support the community. We do not need an increase in childcare services

    From Leon Bray to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Leon Bray posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Leon Bray and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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  15. Fiona Telford commented

    Changing this building from shops to a massive childcare centre will have a detrimental effect on traffic flow on Forestdale Drive, and also remove the opportunity for shops and a community centre in this vital area of the community. On purchasing in Forestdale, we were assured by real estate agents, and other community members that there were plans for a community hub, as the developer had only been granted approval for the shops on this basis. The owner of the building has deliberately set rents of the shops too high so that they can falsely claim that they are unable to rent out or lease the premises to shops. This building should remain in its current purpose, and NOT be approved for change of use.

  16. Malindi Varkevisser wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Why build another child care centre when the current one ican have 50 kids but only has 25? This makes no sense.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Malindi Varkevisser

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Malindi Varkevisser
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 6:06 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Why build another child care centre when the current one ican have 50 kids but only has 25? This makes no sense.

    From Malindi Varkevisser to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Malindi Varkevisser posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Malindi Varkevisser and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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    To view Logan City Council's Privacy Collection Notice, please visit http://logan.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-us/privacy.

  17. Jocelyn Marentis commented

    To Whom It May Concern,
    This is very disappointing to see this application for change of use for this property. On Monday 05 June 2017, the owner of the property advised residents at a NHW meeting that there would be six shops at the shopping village when renovations were completed including an outdoor alfresco area. Since this time, all tenants excluding one have vacated the premises due to inflated rental prices, beyond reasonable even with the renovations and new fascade of the property and other personal reasons.
    Upon many verbal discussions with the owner of the property, he has assured the community that he was very keen to rebuild the shopping village and wanted to be an integral component of the community and work with everyone. However, as advised by many, the owner has failed to return phone calls, emails and other correspondence pertaining to the letting of shops for vendors. He has also failed to return calls, follow through on verbal commitments for community support and has made it very clear that the community and the value that he claimed to hold for Forestdale, is no longer present.
    The child care centre itself was of concern to many in the area when it was first planned, however, the community has now supported and welcomed the centre and has invited them to be involved on a number of occasions with community events and meetings, with attendance only once since opening at a community event.
    To reaffirm, I find it very disappointing to see that the owner has failed to consult the community at all on this planned change to our vital community hub and has somewhat attempted to blindside the community through this application.
    I believe, alongside many others, that this application should be denied in line with the fact that there have been willing tenants for shops at the premises, however, the owner obviously has other plans for the centre and therefore, has neglected to fulfil requests for these tenants to obtain leases.
    We would welcome any information to be shared with the community about this further through the NHW which is an integral part of the community and can be contacted at info@forestdale.com.au
    Kind Regards,
    Jocelyn Marentis
    Area Coordinator
    Forestdale Neighbourhood Watch Inc.

  18. Jocelyn Marentis wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Good evening Councillor,
    This is very disappointing to see this application for change of use for this property. On Monday 05 June 2017, the owner of the property advised residents at a NHW meeting that there would be six shops at the shopping village when renovations were completed including an outdoor alfresco area. Since this time, all tenants excluding one have vacated the premises due to inflated rental prices, beyond reasonable even with the renovations and new fascade of the property and other personal reasons.
    Upon many verbal discussions with the owner of the property, he has assured the community that he was very keen to rebuild the shopping village and wanted to be an integral component of the community and work with everyone. However, as advised by many, the owner has failed to return phone calls, emails and other correspondence pertaining to the letting of shops for vendors. He has also failed to return calls, follow through on verbal commitments for community support and has made it very clear that the community and the value that he claimed to hold for Forestdale, is no longer present.
    The child care centre itself was of concern to many in the area when it was first planned, however, the community has now supported and welcomed the centre and has invited them to be involved on a number of occasions with community events and meetings, with attendance only once since opening at a community event.
    To reaffirm, I find it very disappointing to see that the owner has failed to consult the community at all on this planned change to our vital community hub and has somewhat attempted to blindside the community through this application.
    I believe, alongside many others, that this application should be denied in line with the fact that there have been willing tenants for shops at the premises, however, the owner obviously has other plans for the centre and therefore, has neglected to fulfil requests for these tenants to obtain leases.
    We would welcome any information to be shared with the community about this further through the NHW which is an integral part of the community and can be contacted at info@forestdale.com.au
    Kind Regards,
    Jocelyn Marentis
    Area Coordinator
    Forestdale Neighbourhood Watch Inc.

    Delivered to local councillor Laurie Smith. They are yet to respond.

  19. Anthony Dack wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Forestdale has been a picture perfect place for my partner and i to raise our family but now the acreage estate is turning into a business percent. We had our own take away shop, doctors surgery and hair dresser which made thing very convenient. The new owner have pushed out all of the above knowing of their plans to expand, which is unfair. I totally disagreed with the proposed application.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Anthony Dack

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Anthony Dack
    Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 8:36 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Forestdale has been a picture perfect place for my partner and i to raise our family but now the acreage estate is turning into a business percent. We had our own take away shop, doctors surgery and hair dresser which made thing very convenient. The new owner have pushed out all of the above knowing of their plans to expand, which is unfair. I totally disagreed with the proposed application.

    From Anthony Dack to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Anthony Dack posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Anthony Dack and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
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  20. Henry Hermann commented

    Henry Hermann
    To Councillor
    Mr Laurie Smith
    Logan City Council
    I d not support the application submitted for a MCU and proposed Development for extending the Childcare and new Offices.
    I only agreed to the original Childcare if the existing shops remained as they are a very important part of our community. ( I was a zone Co-ordinator for 25yrs of FNHW and resident for over 34yrs)
    Being closely involved with our community and local businesses it was obvious the new owner was not upholding the commitments he gave verbally. Almost immediately it appeared he had a future agenda as each tenant (with the exception of one) moved out due to exhorbitant Rent increases.
    I believe the original Developer of Forestdale Peter Kurts included provisions for Shops at No 1 Forestdale Drive. The original master plan was approved by LCC which rightly understood an isolated community requires shops and a community meeting place which a variety of shops provide.
    The shops have always been an integral part and meeting
    place of our community with all previous owners strongly supporting the tenants and Community which is isolated to the extent there are no other shops within walking distance for basic needs.
    There's no bus services within Forestdale and ones along Johnston Rd are few.
    I also agree with other objectors comments against this Development
    I strongly object to this application for a MCU and this Development as it deprives our Community of essential services and Community hub we have always had.

  21. S. Rombout commented

    I would like to offer my objection to the planning proposal to change the use from community/neighbourhood hub to daycare and office use. We have lived in Forestdale for over 5 years and whilst raising a young family have been fortunate to benefit from local shops for conveniences, treats, coffee and general services. The loss of the bakery and cafe changed the level of community interaction as locals were forced to drive and seek these services/items kilometres away. Our children enjoyed walks and rides for a weekend milkshake or icecream. Whilst we have also availed ourselves of the childcare services which were a great addition to the area, the loss of services is detrimental to the community. The current childcare is under capacity and I cannot see our local community benefiting from a larger daycare as our population directly doesn’t need it. To argue our community needs more childcare would be false when we already have one. What we need is a space to gather, converse, and see our community face to face. Our children need the ability to experience growth and regular childhood adventures as they gain the independence that most other Logan children have at their doorstep. We have no public transport options and the loss of a location for shops would be a sad day for the Forestdale Community.

  22. Brenda Kett commented

    I would to submit our family’s objection to the expansion of the childcare centre in Forestdale. This would eliminate our only shops completely and we as a community do not wish this to happen.
    Prior to the childcare centre opening the shopping centre was supported by our local community and very busy.
    Isle 7 (local coffee shop) was a hub for all Forestdale families to meet up.
    The owner of the centre now has made it extremely difficult to tenant, with numerous people trying to put a coffee shop back at the centre. I feel the way the owner has gone about lodging this application shows he has no interest in supporting the local community and at every opportunity he has blocked new rental agreements by making the rent unaffordable.
    Forestdale community loves their local shops and have been constantly asking when they’re opening back up etc. check with out local NHW team.
    I truly hope local council see through this application and put a stop to it!! Forestdale community needs their shops back not a bigger daycare centre which Forestdale as a community doesn’t have the numbers to fill. The children attending the Centre will mainly come from out of our area.
    Please support our local community shops and let them be tenanted at market value not inflated city prices!

  23. Lynne Rogers commented

    Here’s hoping that our local councillor will represent everybody’s concern in council meetings WRT the fact that Forestdalians want shops not child care! It would be interesting to know if there has been a spike in crime since shops have been vacant as I feel this ghost town look encourages thieves into Forestdale and reflects badly on the community.

  24. Leanne Randolph wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Forestdale has a childcare centre, we do not need a bigger centre. Forestdale needs a community hub to service the whole community, such as a corner store, coffee shop, hairdresser and other services would support all of our community. The current owner had/has the rents too high for the shops to remain in business and has no interest in getting these shops tenanted. He does not care about the Forestdale residents.

    Please Councillor/s listen to all of your constituents. Say "No" to this proposal.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Leanne Randolph

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Leanne Randolph
    Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 10:00 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Forestdale has a childcare centre, we do not need a bigger centre. Forestdale needs a community hub to service the whole community, such as a corner store, coffee shop, hairdresser and other services would support all of our community. The current owner had/has the rents too high for the shops to remain in business and has no interest in getting these shops tenanted. He does not care about the Forestdale residents.

    Please Councillor/s listen to all of your constituents. Say "No" to this proposal.

    From Leanne Randolph to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Leanne Randolph posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Leanne Randolph and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:
    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
    The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended only for the addressee and may be confidential, private or the subject of copyright. If you have received this email in error please notify Logan City Council, by replying to the sender or calling +61 7 3412 3412 and delete all copies of the e-mail and any attachments.

    To view Logan City Council's Privacy Collection Notice, please visit http://logan.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-us/privacy.

  25. Suz Corbett wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    This is not good for our Forestdale community. A community until 2018 had a coffee shop, and bakery where residents were able to to meet up and enjoy a chat over coffee. Where residents could run into the bakery/convenience store for milk or bread rather than driving down to Browns Plains. As many residents have stated “our hub”.
    I appose the idea of the childcare centre expanding where it requires to reach out further afield and bring in children from other suburbs to fill quotas. Johnson road is already heavily congested and this will only add to a traffic nuisance morning and afternoons. I attended the initial meetings where the owner of the childcare centre stated he would work with our community...this application defies this. Forestdale is our community and we would like to see our shops back. It is a no from me.
    Forestdale resident of 17 years.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Suz Corbett

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future

    From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Suz Corbett
    Sent: Monday, 18 March 2019 10:52 PM
    To: Smith, Laurie <>
    Subject: Planning application at Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    This is not good for our Forestdale community. A community until 2018 had a coffee shop, and bakery where residents were able to to meet up and enjoy a chat over coffee. Where residents could run into the bakery/convenience store for milk or bread rather than driving down to Browns Plains. As many residents have stated “our hub”.

    I appose the idea of the childcare centre expanding where it requires to reach out further afield and bring in children from other suburbs to fill quotas. Johnson road is already heavily congested and this will only add to a traffic nuisance morning and afternoons. I attended the initial meetings where the owner of the childcare centre stated he would work with our community...this application defies this. Forestdale is our community and we would like to see our shops back. It is a no from me.

    Forestdale resident of 17 years.

    From Suz Corbett to local councillor Laurie Smith

    =========================================================================

    Suz Corbett posted this message to you on PlanningAlerts in response to the following planning application.

    Your reply, and any other response to this email, will be sent to Suz Corbett and posted on the PlanningAlerts website publicly.

    Planning Application for Forestdale Shopping Centre 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale QLD 4118

    Description: Change of Use - Childcare Building & Office

    Read more and see what others have to say here:

    https://www.planningalerts.org.au/applications/1169677?utm_campaign=view-application&utm_medium=email&utm_source=councillor-notifications

    Best wishes,

    PlanningAlerts
    ****************************************************************************
    The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended only for the addressee and may be confidential, private or the subject of copyright. If you have received this email in error please notify Logan City Council, by replying to the sender or calling +61 7 3412 3412 and delete all copies of the e-mail and any attachments.

    To view Logan City Council's Privacy Collection Notice, please visit http://logan.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-us/privacy.

  26. Louisa Sonego wrote to local councillor Laurie Smith

    Why would council approve this when the current day care centre isn't at capacity? Very sad to know the landlord had every intention of closing those business's just for pure greed.

    L S
    Laurie Smith local councillor for Logan City Council
    replied to Louisa Sonego

    Hi Louisa.
    I don’t disagree with you personally I believe we were fed some porky pies , I was disappointed when the officers informed me that we as council due to it being previously approved were no longer involved with alterations or changes of use as that fell under building certifiers.
    please see the response / information I had sent to the Bush telegraph and Jocelyn for inclusion onto our Facebook page

    Like you, it was a sense of loss when our convenience shop and other small businesses closed and left our community, how great was it to drop in, grab a hot chook, chips and gravy on a busy week night, or on a lazy Sunday morning a fresh hot loaf of bread and croissants (if you were in early enough) grab a good coffee on the way to work ,or for some, shed a few kilos in the gym..
    As we know a business that had no prior connection to our community purchased the complex and have established a child care centre which is what their business delivers.
    Fortunately our local hairdresser continues to serve its long established customer base.
    Gone was our ability to drop in for a quick chat with owners and staff who knew our names and provided jobs for our young ones looking to earn a bit of extra dollars.

    Below is the response I received from councils Development /Planning section based on my request for further information in relation to what the owner has to comply with or is restricted to in relation to the extension of the centre.
    It is important to note there is no development application as such and in fact is classed as a self-assessable material change of use which only needs a building certifier to approve,
    Council has no ability to refuse the proposed change of use.

    Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive

    * There is an existing development approval for a Child Care Centre at 1-13 Forestdale Drive Forestdale.
    * This development approval was issued on 28 September 2016 and approved a Child Care Centre in the southern portion of the Shopping centre site with a capacity for 50 children.
    * This development application was Code Assessable under the Logan Planning Scheme 2015 (meaning no public notification is required), as a Child Care Centre is an intended use that’s allowed in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site. A development application was only required as the proposal included a new building area.
    * Details of the development application and approval are available on Council’s website - below is a link to the application materials:-
    http://pdonline.logan.qld.gov.au/MasterViewUI/Modules/ApplicationMaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=1909617

    Current extension

    * It is important to note that no development application is required for the current extension.
    * The information on the planning alerts website relates to a building application by a private building certifier ( reference BW-1804/2019). This is a building application under the Building Act 1975 and National Construction Code (formerly known as the Building Code of Australia). There is no development application or development approval for the extension.
    * A Child Care Centre is Accepted Development (meaning no development application is required) in the Neighbourhood Centre zoning that applies to the shopping centre site, if it involves the use existing buildings.
    As the Child Care Centre extension will be occurring in the existing shopping centre building, no development application will be required provided the applicant complies with the relevant planning scheme requirements such as car parking

    Cr Laurie Smith | Councillor for Division 7 | Logan City Council
    Phone: 07 3412 5507 | PO Box 3226 Logan City DC QLD 4114 |
    logan.qld.gov.au | facebook.com/logancitycouncil | twitter.com/logancc

    City of Logan: Innovative, Dynamic, City of the Future
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