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1. Really ? . . . . . .is council actually letting 'SAMCOURT Pty Ltd' lodge this ? . . most of the heritage federation houses along prominent Phillip St Enmore will never have any morning in the rear of their yards/window. . . never.
   While Young Henrys is a characterful addition to the rear lanes of the area in question , do we really need another brewery offering a restaurant as well only to justify gaining the liquor license at a later hour?
   These back streets are polluted & disgusting filled with everything from Go-Go Bikes to vomit - WE STRONGLY OBJECT TO DA201900038!!

2. We have lived in the area for over 20 years, in that time Phillip Lane has become the dumping ground for artists, leaving their empty spray cans, paint cans and general rubbish for residents to come cleaning after them (because council rarely does). This is not to mention the unauthorised use of resident backyard fences and roller doors facing Phillip Lane. Has council even bothered contacting residents along Phillip Lane, asking the question whether they (the owner) have authorised the use of their property for other people, other artists, benefits? Given council openly promotes tours of these back lanes, isn’t council concerned or interested to know how these residents feel?

   Adding to J Fuller’s concern, how will this development improve on what we have today? Because what we have today is bad, but this will make it even worse.

   What need is there of another brewery??? in Newtown no less where they are a dime a dozen.

   This is a nonsense, this DA serves to disadvantage local and nearby residents....increased noise, puke, foot traffic, oversupply of drinking outlets, puke (deserves another mention), rear lane access to back yards on Phillip Lane restricted, saftey of residents at risk (how is newtown fairing re alcohol fuelled crime, violence???). Pls, exercise some common sense here. Thanks.

3. Resident for 12 years, so perhaps not as long as the others who've posted here but I'd say I'm at least interested in the proposal pending further information.

   I live very close to Young Henry's and I walk the nearby lanes/backstreets every morning and night with my dogs. Noise is very tolerable, and since the brewery came to the area there hasn't been any increase in puke or antisocial behaviour - it's Newtown there is always an element of that but I dare say it's decreased over the years. If I'm happy to walk the lanes alone at 11pm I'd say that's a good sign.

   The AusScrap site is begging to be used, and from the responses to prior DA's I dare say you won't ever make the people responding here happy. The expectation that Sydney's premier night time entertainment district should be a quiet place, where the idea that another brewery in Australia's largest indie brewing area (known as the Marrickville, Newtown, St Peter's Triangle) is too much despite it being one of the exact reasons people come here and spend their money - is frustratingly unreasonable and small minded in my opinion.

   More information about the project would be appreciated.

4. Will it be possible to source pictures over the past 20 years of Phillip Lane and surrounding areas so that we can put to rest that the streetscape hasn’t taken a turn for the worse (much worse)?

   It’s laughable. It was much better back then then now! How many properties have been defaced along Phillip Lane??? Attracting more of this profile of consumers just doesn’t add to the surrounding area.

   And I agree, the AusScrap site is a visual stain, gross misuse of prime land and an overall embarrassment for the community (in my opinion).... but plonking a brewery on the site isn’t the answer. Hopefully we’re smarter than that. Why did the recent residential DA fail?

   More affordable housing for folks who work in the metropolitan area....nurses, front line responders (police, fire brigade officers etc etc) let’s provide better living options for those protect and care for our community.... rather than expect to travel 60k each day to care for local residents at rpa. Our niece and her family will appreciate it. Thanks

5. John, Debra, lovely to meet you fellow neighbours.

   First, the people enjoying beer at a local brewery aren't defacing property - don't conflate two separate issues. My wife's uncle in his 60's drinks at the local breweries including Young Henry's, as do parents, dog-loving locals and yes young people who enjoy a fun experience and good brew.

   Graffiti is a separate issue to a pub, restaurant, brewery, night market etc. Arguably, a greater human presence in the area will discourage antisocial behaviour. Dark, quiet, disused streets are the perfect conditions for defacing private property.

   Looking back at a previous comment, I'm not sure how micro breweries are a dime a dozen - YH is the only one officially in Newtown, though there are others in neighbouring suburbs. Micro breweries attract people who enjoy quality product and community, not people who want to get trashed.

   Regarding affordable housing, again you're conflating one issue with another. The government doesn't own this property, it's a private development. You'll need a change of government and adequate planning to house a not-insignificant number of nurses, police, firies etc. They'll need to acquire property to do this, and this property probably won't satisfy those needs without heavily excavating to provide several levels of basement of parking. Worst of all, it won't solve your graffiti problem.

6. “.....a greater human presence in the area will discourage antisocial behaviour. Dark, quiet, disused streets are the perfect conditions for defacing private property” -

   this vandalism (ie defacing personal property without consent) and anti social behaviour (ie littering etc) actually occurs quite regularly in the middle of the day, and durung most weekends. These artists have no shame, and some residents who are in retirement age have just given up. Walk down any of these lanes during midday and you’ll see for yourself how much little respect they have for other people’s property. If you’re the brave type, try telling them to stop what they’re doing and you’ll simply be met with silence.

   Council has to do something here, it’s becoming out of hand. They should speak to most residents along these lanes of Thurnby, Phillip and Gladstone St to help them understand the damage that behaviour has caused them....and all during daylight hours. Very sad.

7. I totally agree with Ben & Brianna.

   Too many people on here complaining about other aspects (graffiti, littering, o-bikes etc) which has nothing to do with application.

   I would rather this development than another huge/boring apartment block.

8. Newtown already has plenty of bars, pubs, breweries from which to choose. Many of these could even do with extra patronage, and some are failing. So with money being tight, with discretionary spending down, supporting current businesses makes more sense than seeing new businesses prop up.

   There has to be more imagination applied to this DA than this. It’s not only so 2014, the proposal is sloppy, lazy and an afterthought for having the initial residential DA declined. And given the location, the history and look of the building, it’s a pretty lame idea too. Surely we can do better than a brewery.

9. Hi Alice,

   As I've said in earlier comments to others, the behaviours you describe have nothing to do with breweries, pubs etc. Rejecting this proposal based on your complaints makes no sense. Brewers aren't graffiti artists. People who enjoy artisanal beer aren't graffiti artists. The litter in the area usually comes from people clearing out their cars and if you were to sample that rubbish you'll notice a lot of it is ice cream cups and soft drink containers. I should know - I clean Gladstone street and the surrounding area every Christmas to pay respect to my suburb.

   Francis,

   I've looked at the architectural plans on the Marrickville/Inner West council's website and it's not sloppy - the floor area will house a lot of brewing equipment, truck pickup area as well as a performance stage. It's a fully fledged micro brewery with as much consideration, if not more, as any other in this area.

   So many bars/pubs could do with extra patronage? Which ones? Why? Really there's some incredible comments here with little verifiable evidence to back up the claims. Even so, how would a whiskey bar sate the desires of someone who wants a sweet milky stout or sour Gose?

   This is a business that could easily employ 20 people and inject money into local businesses as the supply chain grows.

   For what it's worth, I have nothing to do with this proposal - just a beer lover looking forward to the AusScrap building finally being utilised in a productive manner suitable to this grea suburb - the greatest suburb - NEWTOWN.

10. Agree with some of the comments posted.

    This DA lacks any sense of creative thinking. This is such a great and unique site, and if anybody thinks this DA packs a ‘creative punch’ then you only need to look across the lane at the ‘parallel house’. This house won architectural awards, creative thinking on such a small plot of land.

    So just imagine what can be done on this site. Another brewery? Please. And 4 trees to be removed ...?? Let’s raise our level of expectation. Plenty of businesses (breweries, bars, pubs) along King St, Enmore Rd already feeling the pinch. Better to support existing establishments (too many too count, even more to choose from) than support DA’s that won’t add any variety to the place.

    This is a great part of Newtown. 2nd rate ideas that are not environmentally friendly and does nothing to enhance this historical streetscape has to get turned down.

11. Ben and Brianna,
    It’s not the Ausscrap site - look at the drawings again.

12. Colin,

    My mistake - can see it's the lot further down. Assumed it was AusScrap due to the size and layout. Though my opinion of the development doesn't change.

    Janice & Alexis,

    This project is utilitarian - rejecting it because it doesn't meet some lofty architectural goals isn't really in the spirit of the public consultation process. Otherwise nothing would be made because it's next to impossible to meet every desire of the people neighbouring the property, let alone ensure the aesthetics jive with everyone's sensibilities.

    I keep seeing this odd trope that only existing businesses deserve patronage - it doesn't work that way. A business stands on its own merit. Merely existing first doesn't guarantee continuous life. Another motif is that there are plenty of breweries. There is one in Newtown, with others in Marrickville, St Peters, Enmore and Camperdown that would require some form of motorised transport to hop between if you don't have hours to burn. They also supply Inner West-made beers to pubs, bars and other businesses throughout the city. Seeing YH's Newtowner in the Melbourne CBD was a welcome surprise - and that's what breweries do. They're intrinsically more important than pubs and bars because they produce their own product, not resell it as a middle-man with a free stool to park yourself on.

    As for the trees, any tree felled is a loss and Sydney is beautiful because of how green it is. Instead of rejecting the development outright -- we should encourage them to add some trees.

13. Supporting this DA because you love the taste of beer, or love the idea of yet another brewery etc, then that’s fair enough. But fair consideration has to be given to its associated costs. But at what cost?

    Since it’s arrival, Young Henry’s location has proven to be ‘not fit for purpose’. A great idea (for mind, great tasting beer), but with limited and poor supporting infrastructure, a very poor location to do it..

    With its narrow roads.....on top of its narrow footpaths..... on top of increased foot traffic expected (inc mums, dads, kids etc) which this family friendly establishment will attract.... on top of increased waste disposal challenges expected (some of which will be littered along the narrow footpaths feeding into the 2c proposed site, not to mention the back lanes of Thurnby and Phillip Lanes which are a mess)..... on top of the increased risk of accidents as patrons will most likely be walking along Gladstone st to get to the proposed site (particularly if footpaths are increasingly littered with rubbish, and given insufficient parking available for patrons, even more pedestrians will use the streets making an accident waiting to happen).... then it seems the lessons of the recently approved DA’s (like Young Henry’s) are being ingnored, or understated.

    I love beer, l love breweries even more, but the location has to be ‘fit for purpose’... and with this oversized DA clearly fails on that measure.

14. The idea of converting the site to a brewery is a good one I think - appropriate to the size of the block and would likely attract a reasonably well-behaved clientele, as is my experience of Young Henrys.

    My objection is to the loss of all the mature trees. Gladstone Street already suffers from an unpleasant heat island effect. With more frequent heatwaves predicted in future, we need more trees, not fewer. The arborist report acknowledges there will be no room for any replacement trees, either on the site or the surrounding footpaths, so once it's built we would be stuck with a barren streetscape. Brewery patrons would also suffer from lack of shade when congregating on the narrow footpaths and inevitably spilling out on the road. In other words, the decision to build right up to the front boundary comes at the expense of both trees and the safety and comfort of future patrons.

    Also, I have to agree with Janice and Alexis that the drab 'utilitarian' design of the development does not meet the architectural standards of Newtown. Not saying it needs to win awards, just that it should look a bit better than something from a 70s industrial estate. The marriage of form and function is something every good architect knows how to do, it's not an unreasonable expectation. That the developers did not put any effort towards an attractive design - as well as proposing to destroy all the trees - shows disregard for the local environment and heritage.

15. My objection is also regarding the removal of the trees in Gladstone St and I fully support what Isobel has said in her letter, which I reiterate verbatim:

    'My objection is to the loss of all the mature trees. Gladstone Street already suffers from an unpleasant heat island effect. With more frequent heatwaves predicted in future, we need more trees, not fewer. The arborist report acknowledges there will be no room for any replacement trees, either on the site or the surrounding footpaths, so once it's built we would be stuck with a barren streetscape'.

    I also support what other people have said before, which I quote: 'As for the trees, any tree felled is a loss and Sydney is beautiful because of how green it is. Instead of rejecting the development outright -- we should encourage them to add some trees'.

    Please, reconsider this development and save the trees by asking the architects to go back to the drawing board. Thanks

    Silvia Levame, 27-02-19

16. I'm curious why so many people think this is a proposal for "another" brewery. It's the site next door to the current Young Henry Brewery. It's an expansion of a profitable and successful business in Newtown into the adjoining space.

    All the comments about graffiti, litter and mess are irrelevant as the brewery will not be adding to that any more than any other business. Discussing what "could be" built or placed here is also irrelevant. Unless they have a competing application to put housing for nurses there, it's an irrelevant point. Also, some people writing with the assumption that streets will have more litter because of this DA, or that traffic will be coming along Gladstone (and not Enmore road) are making spurious assumptions based on no evidence.

    One point is worth considering though, the removal of trees. I agree it's beneficial to have and keep trees in these areas for the reasons outlined by others who commented on the loss of trees. If the DA could be amended to not remove trees, or at the very least to add trees into the plan in convenient places, there would be less to complain about. I don't understand why the trees have to go.

17. Residents along Calvert St Marrickville has seen concrete removed and new trees planted. Why is this great and simple idea so hard for council to replicate? Why must there be a DA - proposing the removal of mature trees - before residents become concerned? Putting this DA aside for a minute, this area needs more trees, not less. We need council to get in with it and plant more trees, just like we’ve seen at Calvert St.

    Back to this DA, there isn’t enough information to to form a well rounded view... that said, removing 4 trees - along Gladstone St, no less - is simply madness on stilts. Let’s see plant more trees, not rip them out.

18. Living on Gladstone street next to the proposed development, I contest to the proposed development at 2C Gladstone Street for the following reasons:

    The development Shadow Diagram shows the proposed building on 2C Gladstone Street casting shadows over the entire backyards of neighbouring townhouses on Phillip Street in the morning at 9am. Those backyards then do not have complete sunlight until 12pm, meaning they will receive no morning sun at all.
    With the building directly bordering the townhouses on 2B Gladstone Street, and standing taller than the townhouses - at a very high 14m - the entire lot of 2B Gladstone Street is in shadow by 3pm.
    This not only results in yards being cast in shadow for most of the day on residences at both Phillip Street and 2B Gladstone Street, but further negatively affects any future plans of installing solar panels on those buildings (or any solar panels that may already be installed).
    The sheer size and closeness of the building will also be intrusive to the townhouses at 2B Gladstone St, and overall atmosphere of the backyards of those townhouses will be very negatively effected.

    In page 17 of the development Acoustic Assessment the estimated noise levels of the building don’t comply with current regulations with the doors open at Night and Evening times - meaning that when the doors are opened for patrons to enter and exit, the noise levels will very likely negatively disrupt the residents surrounding the building. The Acoustic Assessment cannot then attest to the possible noise level of the patrons when they are arriving or leaving the premises.

    The proposed opening hours of the restaurant/brewery is until 10pm every night. As this building is completely surrounded by residential houses and apartments - those that are occupied by adults or families with children who go to bed earlier than 10pm will be affected every single night.
    The foot traffic late at night of patrons entering and leaving the premises will also likely disrupt the surrounding residents with noise, litter, and/or patrons acting drunk or disorderly.
    As a point of difference - Young Henry’s brewery and pub - adjacent to the proposed development - closes at 7pm, which is a much more reasonable closing time for being in what is a primarily residential area.

    The proposed development shows the restaurant and stage catering to live music situated against the wall which lies adjacent to the bordering townhouses of 2B Gladstone Street, with a very high chance of the loud noise generated by the restaurant/music to permeate through the walls into the townhouses.

    On the point of the brewery, 2B Gladstone street already experiences the smell of Young Henry’s brewery coming in from one side. This new development will result in being further affected by brewery fumes from multiple sides of the lot.

    The proposed building footprint is much larger than the current building residing at 2C Gladstone street. This will result in the removal of many plants and trees, with no plans to replace those proposed to be removed.
    The combination of this lack of plant life, and the proposed building, with an excessive height of 14 metres (much taller than any surrounding buildings), taking up the entire block, will give an unflattering and foreboding street presence, and will have a negative effect on the overall atmosphere of the area.

    The resulting effect of these issues spans across many avenues - including ones that won't become apparent until after the building may be built. There will be a definite loss of home's atmosphere and property value of surrounding residential homes, likely having the possibility of serious monetary and emotional repercussions to all homeowners.

19. 12/03/2019

    to whom it may concern

    I would like to formally object to the DA201900038 lodged by Samcourt Pty Ltd to redevelop 2c Gladstone Street Newtown into a brewery site with a restaurant and live performances.

    My reasons for objection are:

    1) The size of the development, in particular the boundary walls will severely restrict the amount of daylight my home currently receives. I live in one of the closest units and my back yard gets restricted daylight as it is. The proposed development will put my yard into permanent semi darkness with the view of an ugly giant wall where I can currently see some blue sky.

    2) The DA has made minimal provision for sound proofing, with a stage located directly opposite my main dwelling areas. Industrial brewing is noisy and a large number of service vehicles will be added to that mix. We already suffer with large amounts of intoxicated people from the existing brewery and surrounds, with people urinating and smoking directly outside our units, making noise and disrupting our ability to enjoy our lot in peace.

    3) The streetscape will be blighted by a poorly designed and oversized development that is not in keeping with the immediate area. The removal of the large established native trees so the development can be built right up to the footpath is unthinkable.

    4) There are no provisions for parking, for staff and the large amounts of customers that the development will bring. We already suffer from access issues with patrons of the existing brewery and their service vehicles blocking access to our property, parking in no stop areas and frequently using our allocated parking and visitor spots illegally.

    5) There are no designated smoking areas.

    6) The hours of operation are not inkeeping with the surrounding residential area. There are a lot of young families (I personally have a 7 and 8 year old) and the noise of a brewery/large restaurant with live performances until 10pm will severely disrupt our lives. My childrens bedroom is immediately adjacent to the proposed development and stage /restaurant area.

    7) There will be an issue with continuous brewing smells which I find repulsive.

    8) There has been massive issues with current and former tenants of Samcourt/2c Gladstone Street. The owner/developer seems to be complicit in allowing the existing small industrial units to be used as domestic dwellings, unlicenced restaurants/events areas, a nightclub with a fully functional bar to name a few current uses, none of which have planning permission. The police are constantly attending the area and the tenants have been served with a noise abatement order in the past. This was the result of a task force that had to be established to curb the illegal activities of the Samcourt tenants. The task force was comprised of the local police, Inner West Council and the Liquor and Gaming Authority; a very expensive exercise to the tax paying public. I do not feel that Samcourt cares much for laws relating to what its buildings can be legally used for, or the effect its tenants have on their peaceful residential neighbours.

20. There is a fantastic community of creatives, educators, artists, businesses and producers in these spaces. whose presence and contribution to the cultural landscape of Newtown, Enmore and the greater Inner West is legendary. They would have to move in the name of 'progress' and many not for the first time in very recent history. In addition, the additional vehicle traffic to the area would be unwelcome.

21. illegal nightclub / live music venue has started to operate in warehouse owned by SAMCOURT. Police called at 10.20pm Friday 30/08/2019. these are warehouses with no planning permission for live music, large numbers of people, no fire or safety systems in place and absolutely no sound insulation. SAMCOURT shows absolutely no regard by allowing their tennants to cause distress and and interfere with local residents with their illegal activities. And they want to build and operate a brewery?!

22. The first application had its drawbacks. It was a brutal design. If I was the 90’s vintage terrace next door I would have been up in arms too.

    I think the most recent DA is a good improvement with the right amendments to deal with noise, crowds and odour.

    Gladstone Street is dark and a bit dodge. A development will be an improvement.

    I am a resident close to the development.

23. The new application looks so much better than the first one and has my support - I'm a local resident less than 100m from the proposed development.

    A development such as this in Gladstone street will be a great improvemnt and add to the vitality of the area.

24. Although a visual improvement over the prior "brick block" building facade, beautifying the facade of this brewery is another attempt to push the same agenda. The latest proposal is like putting lipstick on a pig (to paraphrase Barack Obama). The hard issues residents have raised against the prior proposals remain unsolved... the same concerns remain.
    Gladstone Street is essentially a quiet residential street away from the excitement of the Enmore Road bar strip... Gladstone Street is full of houses with families and kids.
    We dont want more drunken laneway brawlers;
    We dont want intoxicated chatting/yelling late at night;
    We dont want to have to keep windows closed to keep out the sickly, smelly emissions;
    We dont want more large truck traffic;
    And we certainly dont need more parking congestion.

25. From our experience of living next door to an existing brewery in the immediate neighbourhood, just 50 metres away from the proposed site, we can guarantee that a second brewery/beer barn/restaurant will bring no joy to nearby residents. They can expect
    • Noise and air pollution daily from numerous heavy diesel vehicles idling outside homes as they await clearance to enter the site.
    • Noise from brewery and bar operations, including metal keg stacking, clients getting drunk, and amplified music.
    • Increase in traffic congestion and competition for on-street parking from brewery staff, client and patron vehicles.
    • Hops fumes infiltrating homes several times a week.
    • Groups of patrons gathering outside residents’ houses to smoke and talk loudly, in the absence of on-site designated smoking areas during opening hours, and drawn-out farewells long after closing time.
    • Public urination and increased rubbish dumping in the lanes.

    If this goes ahead, it will set a precedent for the existing brewery to expand its operations. The streets surrounding this DA site and the existing brewery are still zoned in full or in part, residential, and are not part of the entertainment precincts of Enmore Rd and King St. That's why the Independent Planning Panel listened to the numerous concerns of dozens of nearby residents, some of whom have lived in the neighbourhood for over 20 years, and unequivocally refused this DA in November 2019, despite IWCs misplaced support for it. Nothing in this cosmetically-enhanced proposal has fundamentally changed since then.

26. There are several issues with this existing DA, the changes made are cosmetic at best and do not resolve the fundamental issues with this DA.
    1. There is an existing entertainment precinct along Enmore Rd/King St, the residential back streets are not an entertainment precinct. The integration of the two is hardly harmonious, this is fundamentally a residential area, families, and children.
    2. There are already existing issues with the current brewery/bar and the impacts that it has had on residents, look at the history on file with the council/police. To attempt to approve another and not expect the existing brewery to then want to have the same trading hours etc is naïve. In effect doubling the potential issues for residents.
    3. Parking is already an issue in the area and the amount of illegal parking is an ongoing issue. Again, look at the history and the amount of parking tickets issued by council in the surrounding streets and direct complaints made by residents about illegally parked cars blocking access, driveways etc. All on file with the council.
    4. Unruly behaviour, groups gathering, drinking, drugs, vandalism, rubbish already existing issues in the surrounding streets, especially Phillip Lane. Again, numerous complaints registered with the council and police.
    5. Noise is already an issue with delivery trucks, constant idling, reversing noise, kegs being moved, all directly outside residents’ homes. Again, complaints on file with council and or police.
    6. Smell, the smell of diesel from deliver trucks, hops fumes intermittently throughout the week, spray paint fumes from constant graffiti artists/taggers, all from early morning to evening. Again, complaints on file with council.
    7. Building, the bulk and scale, appearance of this and the changes are only cosmetic at best.

    The residents are the heart and soul of any suburb and this development will not enhance or improve their ability to live a quiet and peaceful existence, in fact the opposite.

27. Where can I see the updated design? I went through the links, but the most recent PDF files are from 2019 year??

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