2 Oatlands Court Wattle Grove NSW 2173, Australia

Development Application - Demolition Of Dwelling And Outbuildings And Construction Of A Two Storey Childcare Centre With Basement Car Parking

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website over 1 year ago. It was received by them 1 day earlier.

(Source: Liverpool City Council, reference DA-615/2018)

13 Comments

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  1. Dallas commented

    I worry that traffic congestion will be too great for the street. The intersection is already very busy and I don't know how the street will be able to accommodate all the extra traffic. I worry about access during the construction phase and how a street with one exit will be able to function.

  2. Mitchell commented

    I am concerned about the amount of traffic that the proposed child care centre will create. At the current time there is only around 5 or 6 cars that accumulate around the property and they create challenges getting in and out of the street. With the new proposed child care centre I understand that there will be basement parking but I am worried that not all cars will be able to fit in this basement car park and will therefore have to park on the street. With a moderate amount of traffic entering and exiting the street it also creates a safety issue for the children and parents attending the childcare centre. If a parent was to park on the street and have a conversation with another parent leaving the child unsupervised they may venture onto the road and be at risk of getting hit or causing an accident. It also poses a risk for residents of the street as there is limited reaction time when coming around the corner and with the property being directly on the corner of the street it may lead to accidents. It will also create an excessive amount of traffic in a small street especially if people were to park on both sides of the street. This would make the road very narrow and hard to navigate for less experienced drivers such as the learner drivers on the street.

  3. Kylie commented

    I am concerned that the added traffic, especially during peak times of leaving for school/work and returning home from school/work, will be both dangerous and untenable for this street. The corner that this house is on is at the very beginning of the street and is the only course of access to all residents in Oatlands Court, Cliveden Court and Farnborough Court. These three streets have approximately 60 residences (with many more residents), all accessing their homes via the entrance at the corner of Oatlands Crt and Conroy Rd - exactly where this business is being proposed. Additionally, the houses on Conroy Road, opposite the corner of Oatlands Court, will also be affected by the increase in traffic. With the close proximity of this site to the Australis Avenue/Conroy Road intersection, I believe the increase in traffic could be dangerous at worst and incredibly inconvenient for all residents, at least.
    An additional concern is the on street parking situation.The plan for this business states that it will have 15.6 off street parking spaces. A child care centre of this size will have a minimum of 10 staff working face to face with the children. In addition, there is likely to be a director, a cook, possibly an administrative officer. Potentially, 13 of the allotted 15.6 spaces will be filled by staff and not accessible to parents dropping off or picking up their children. This leaves only street parking for customers in an already narrow street with a great deal of local traffic, as stated above. It is already an issue, trying to navigate through the cars parked at that end of the street.
    Please consider the long term affect this development will have on the local neighbours, and the safety of the children who will potentially be attending the child care centre or in neighbouring homes.

  4. Mark commented

    This is also a residential area. I think people haven't thought about the noise screaming children make. This is unfair to the residents who are already there.

    Council, and developers, need to start respecting residents before we push back. For example, if this went ahead next to my house, I'd be playing opera music all day at high volume until they closed it down.

  5. Jack Ashley commented

    The street is already bottle-necked by cars parking on the street either side at the entrance. A childcare centre will increase this problem during morning and afternoon hours when other residents are leaving to and returning from work- the worst time for this to be an issue and yet this when the childcare centre will have more cars for drop-off and pick-up.

    I don't think a business like this belongs in Oatlands CT or Conroy Rd, and I don't believe whoever has proposed this has really considered their neighbours who they will be affecting.

  6. Kaete commented

    I, too am concerned for reasons that are two fold.

    The first being, of course, the highly probable issue of congested traffic. In such a large street, with cars already littering the sides of the roads (especially at said opening), further blocking the only entrance and exit to and from our homes will cause unnecessary dangers and difficulties. With dangerous bends, such as blind corners, increasing tight spaces, difficult and possibly problematic areas will make it harder for all to navigate.
    This is a community street, with kids of all ages participating in various activities upon it. Whether it be riding their bikes, walking to and from school or leading the drive , increasing the traffic flow on such a street, increases the risks and dangers in an otherwise safe environment.
    This brings me to my second point - the safety of children. Not only the safety of the neighbourhood kids, but those who will attend this childcare centre. Just the other day, another car dangerously sped up on Australis to overtake me, leaving them to go racing around the corner, enetering the street far over the given speed limit.
    Placing a Childcare centre on the corner of a street, is highly worrisome, especially with Conroy Road being rather busy during drop-off and pick-up times.

    Therefore, the creation of this childcare centre in such an inconvenient location will not only create difficulties due to traffic congestion but will also increase risk and dangers for all involved.

  7. Leeanne commented

    Oatlands Court, Farnborough Court and Cliveden Court (two cul de sac streets that flow from Oatlands) are all residential streets with ONE entrance at the top of Oatlands Court (also technically a cul de sac). This is the ONLY entrance / exit for residents and visitors to access all three streets. With just over 60 houses across all 3 streets I could only guess that would mean at least 100 adults residing, with at least that many vehicles residing in the street. That is a lot of vehicles already utilising ONE entrance.

    A child care centre will put a huge strain on an already high demand of traffic entering/exiting this entrance. I understand the drop-offs and pick-ups will be staggered - but not enough to ease the congestion of residents already leaving/arriving for work/school drop-offs at the SAME peak times.

    The street is certainly not very wide, and already navigating around cars parking out front of houses around the top of this street can already become difficult with oncoming traffic. I cant even imagine how tight this will become once parents are rushing to drop children off so they can rush to work themselves. In addition, the location is right on a corner, which can be quite dangerous with cars quite frequently cutting the corner

    What happens when there is an accident?. We as residents have no other way to get into/out of our street.

    What happens when a child is getting out of the car and runs across the road, only to be hit by a car turning the corning right at that moment?. I believe it is a very dangerous and irresponsible spot to be putting a child care centre and would appreciate your consideration in declining this application.

  8. Tas commented

    I am a resident that lives across from the address and we do have difficulty exiting our driveway due to the already amount of residential cars at the property. All residents have recently received a notice from council directing us to not park on the verge or we will face fines. The reason why residents park on the verge is because of the narrow street. I can only see, if the development goes ahead, that there will be an increase in residents and customers to the centre will park on the verge and will encroch onto local residents land as well as blocking access to their properties.

  9. Kylie commented

    In regards to the application to build a child care centre at 2 Oatlands Court, Wattle Grove, DA-615/2018 I would like to voice my opposition.
    I am concerned that the added traffic, especially during peak times of leaving for school/work and returning home from school/work, will be both dangerous and untenable for this street. The corner that this house is on is at the very beginning of the street and is the only course of access to all residents in Oatlands Court, Cliveden Court and Farnborough Court. These three streets have approximately 60 residences (with many more residents – at least 100+ cars), all accessing their homes via the entrance at the corner of Oatlands Court and Conroy Rd - exactly where this business is being proposed.
    Where and how are the cars parked on the street to drop off or pick up their children, going to turn around to exit Oatlands Court? The street is narrow and doesn’t allow for u-turns. This means that the 38 families attending the service will need to drive all the way to the end of Oatlands Court and turn around at the garden opposite Farnborough Court and the park. This increases the daily traffic in a quiet residential street to commercial levels. And increases the safety risks to the children living in our neighbourhood.
    Additionally, the houses on Conroy Road, opposite the corner of Oatlands Court, will also be affected by the increase in traffic – parked and moving.
    With the close proximity of this site to the Australis Avenue/Conroy Road intersection, I believe the increase in traffic could be dangerous at worst and incredibly inconvenient for all residents, at least.
    An additional concern is the on street parking situation. The plan for this business states that it will have 11 off street parking spaces. A child care centre of this size will have a minimum of 7 educators working face to face with the children. In addition, there is likely to be a director, a cook, and possibly an administrative officer. Potentially, 10 of the allotted 11 spaces will be filled by staff and not accessible to parents dropping off or picking up their children. On the application, it shows 11 spaces, one of which is a disabled parking spot and cannot be used by anyone unless they have a disabled sticker. The 7th staff member, and the 8th, 9th and 10th, will have to use the 4 allocated ‘visitors’ parking spaces. This leaves only street parking for customers in an already narrow street with a great deal of local traffic, as stated above. It is already an issue, trying to navigate through the cars parked at that end of the street.
    I would also like to see the landscaping plan and the floor plan for this child care centre. The previous application plans have been redacted and there appears to be no new plans submitted. How can we see if the required minimum unencumbered indoor floor space and unencumbered outdoor space have been provided? The Education and Care Services National Regulations are very clear in regards to these matters and with the proposed size of the building, I am not convinced that 266m2 of unencumbered outdoor play space is available.
    The noise factor, for neighbouring houses, will also be disruptive. Young children are noisy, and early childhood services are busy and noisy. Whilst the noise may not be ongoing throughout the day, it will be intense any time the children are outdoors. The child care service may run an indoor/outdoor concurrent program, meaning the children will be outdoors almost all of the opening hours. This would have a huge impact on the homes in the immediate vicinity.
    Please consider the long term affect this development will have on the local neighbours, and the safety of the children who will potentially be attending the child care centre or in neighbouring homes.

  10. Andrew Kokic commented

    I am writing on behalf of my elderly parents who I visit daily in Farnborough Court. The corner of Conroy Crt and Oatlands Crt is already a major bottle neck on my journey to their home. The road is not wide and there are many cars already parked on the side of the road making the ONLY entry to these streets already congested and difficult to exit and enter. I find it extraordinary that there could be a childcare centre in this area. It will be even more of an imposition to access to homes and I would be astonished if most residents didn't agree. I would ask Council to seriously reconsider this development.

  11. TIMOTHY FLYNN commented

    I am writing to voice my concerns over the latest amended application DA-615/2018. Whilst the direct ramp access to parking and front entrance door is located in Oatlands court this has an inherent desgin failure and risk given the proposed clientel of the child care facility.

    Given the limited vision, design and flora narture of the intersection the extremely limited access points for users and human nature being what it is I can only imagine parents, workers and visitors parking on Oatlands court, (a narrow and often dangerous interesection due to the number of illegally parked motor vehicles, as depicted in the actualk revised applications) exiting into dangerous traffic conditions, whilst traffic speed would be slow, the relative trauma and resultant impact on a young children at speeds less than 5-15KPH is well documented.

    My concern is that any design which suggests offsite parking to be located in Oatlands court will be extremely dangerous and may lead to a fatality. When compared to traffic flows in Wattle Grove more generally we can see that similar centres are either designed with access points on a main road or located further away from a intersection if located in a suburban street. Local schools and residents have an on-going battle with parents regarding parking and I note that Liverpool City Council has attended these locations on a regular basis to enforce parking regulations.

    I would ask that council planners please review this application with the view of requesting further amendments to remove access from Oatlands court or if this is not possible then decline the applcation in its current form. Residents are concerned of the risks to young children, increased trafficc flow/parking and intersection congestion.

    Given council has already written to residents in this and surrounds regarding parking issues already I would ask that planners consider what if any benefits are achieved here? Is the risk to health minimised by proper design? Will this applcation add or diminsh to an already well documneted traffic issues file? Does this project fit within the broader Liverpool City Council amenities vision and planning for child care and other like purpose designed centres?

    I would be happy to discuss these concerns in more detail if council so wishes.

  12. Paul commented

    As a resident and home owner in the surrounding area of 2 Oatland Court, Wattle Grove, and would be so much disadvantaged from this project, I am writing today to express my objection to the development application DA-615/2018 regarding the address DP 825138 Cnr Lot 8040 at 2 Oatlands Court, Wattle Grove 2173 for construction of 2 storey child care centre.

    My objection is based on few reasons as follows:

    - The proposed child care project is located at the only and only entry/exit servicing over 60 properties and 100+ cars in Oatland court, Cliveden Court and Farnborough Court, which would be very inconvenient, taking in consideration the narrow street and the street island which will cause a bottleneck.

    - On daily basis, there are around 5 or 6 cars that always accumulate around the property in both directions which makes it challenging to get in and out of the street, only one car can pass through!

    - I understand that there will be basement parking but I am worried that a “2 story childcare” staff members’ cars would occupy most of the basement parking slots, which will not leave enough space for customers cars and they will park on the street during peak hours to drop off / pickup their kids which will create a big chaos and extreme disadvantages to all residents of the 60 surrounding properties who commute every morning/afternoon.
    Technically, it will be very challenging entering to /exiting from the basement car park into a very narrow street which will create difficulties due to traffic congestion and will also increase risk and dangers for all involved.

    - Added to that, there is a school in Australis Avenue, already creating heavy traffic during rush hours in the roundabout in Australis Avenue and Conroy road. This Child Care development would made the situation get much worse. We need a relief to the school's traffic problem congestion, not an addition to traffic!

    - Our neighborhood is a quiet family friendly neighborhood, this development would change it to be a busy, noisy and screaming children with the indoor/outdoor childcare programs.
    This is a quiet area, with kids of all ages riding their bikes, walking to and from school, increasing the traffic flow on such a street will increases the risks and dangers in an otherwise safe environment. Our kids walk and ride their bikes safely in the area, they will be deprived from safe environment if this development took place.

    - Further to the above, the community does not really need this extra child care as there are about 5 other childcare centres located around Village way, Light House parade and Heathcote Road, all ranging from 5 to 10 min drive away, such development is not needed for the surrounding residents.The disadvantages are more than the advantages.

    Accordingly, I am strongly objecting to this development project and seeking your assistance to not approve it.

  13. Daniel commented

    I seek to yet again reject this application due to the previous concerns regarding traffic congestion, lack of parking overflow and vehicular and pedestrian safety.
    The road is not wide enough, it is quite common to have to wait for traffic entering Oatlands Ct to pass parked cars before there is sufficient gap to drive through to exit. And at present it is a known black spot for near misses when turning out of Oatlands Ct as cars are obscured by the bend of Conroy Rd for some time before appearing in view.
    With this much traffic coming in and out at peak times , there is no way to stop parents from parking on the street as is evident at almost all day cares in Liverpool, as it is much more convenient to park on street and drop off children than drive in and find parking, drop off/pick up and navigate out of a tight parking area.
    There is little benefit to yet another daycare in our area, where there are multiple already entrenched within our community.
    There is no worse location for building a daycare in this precinct, it would have maximum negative impact to all the residents in this locale. Please consider the residents who would suffer congestion and accidents (liability) in this choke point should this be approved.

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