175 Ourimbah Road, Mosman, NSW

Development Application - Alterations and additions to an existing service station

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(Source: Mosman Municipal Council, reference 008.2017.00000248.001 )

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  1. Peter Papilos commented

    To whom it may concern,
    As one of the residents of 169 Ourimbah Road - one of the properties adjacent to 175 Ourimbah Road - I have a significant concern in relation to the following four aspects of the DA:

    1. New Vents
    2. Relocation of existing ice box
    3. Proposed 2x poster board signs (DA05 sign 09)
    4. Proposed new 3.5m high internally illuminated sign (DA05 sign 01)

    I will detail my concerns re: 1-4 in the following paragraphs, however, these concerns in relation to the DA are in addition to my concerns with aspects of the DA which are already included or are to be considered "existing".

    In purchasing this property, we were well aware that we were next to a service station, and that this would come with some noise pollution. Up to this point, there is no argument or problem. The noise pollution which we are able to accept include the following (which related to the 'existing' aspects of the DA):
    a. LPG cage - this is insanely noisy at 9, 10 or 11pm or whenever the truck idles near our bedroom windows and rattles and clanks for up to an hour loading and unloading.
    b. Existing Air/Water - this facility hisses and beeps whether it is being used or not and gets used all hours of the night and day - again, right next to our bedroom windows
    c. While not noted in the DA, there is an AusGrid pole which buzzes and crackles and makes an extraordinarily inordinate amount of noise pollution which I need to contact AusGrid to deal with as it affects no one else and is also directly outside our bedroom window.
    d. The ever-present green glow of the existing signage already permeates our household

    These aspects, which include the fact that trucks will idle for an hour while refilling the tanks, which affect us even though the tanks are on the other side - truck noise is truck noise - are already what we tolerate and accept within the social contract of living next door to a service station.

    To specify my concerns re 1-4, I will now elaborate as mentioned:

    1. New Vents
    My concern is that this will add another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which will require more trucks to idle and clank as they load and/or refill tanks which itself will probably take place late into the night adding further noise pollution to the already existing and up to this point tolerated noise pollution.

    2. Relocation of Ice Box
    My concern is that this will add yet another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which require more trucks to idle and clank as they load and/or refill the freezer which itself will take place late into the night exacerbating still further the already high level of noise pollution (which itself will get higher if you take into consideration point 1 (new vents) and this would more than exceed the already tolerated noise pollution.

    3. Proposed 2x poster board signs (DA05 sign 09)
    My concern is that this will add another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility, which not only will further exacerbate the noise pollution as per points 1 and 2, but will also add another level of light pollution which we already tolerate as mentioned in the point above. That there will be two of them, is only evidence that it will not just be more light and noise pollution, but that this will be doubled.

    4. Proposed new 3.5m high internally illuminated sign (DA05 sign 01)
    My concern is that this will add yet another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which will exacerbate an already intolerable level of light and noise pollution which is being added to a very busy and noisy section of the DA - i.e. all on the one side and this is unreasonable, unfair and totally inappropriate. I recognise that it is 'one side' that will be illuminated, but this is not the aspect with which I have a concern, it is the overall totality of noise and light which in an accumulative sense will go beyond what is tolerable, reasonable, fair and right.

    In conclusion, my concerns have been clearly laid out in numerical order, I have offered context to my concerns and responded to the DA for 175 Ourimbah Road, Mosman. My concerns are significant, they are real and they are legitimate as they will deeply, negatively and materially affect my mental and physical health and wellbeing as well as affect my property.

    Thank you for your consideration and for taking the time to read my submission.

    Cheers,

    Peter Papilos

  2. Gail Papilos commented

    To whom it may concern,
    As one of the residents of 169 Ourimbah Road - one of the properties adjacent to 175 Ourimbah Road - I have a significant concern in relation to the following four aspects of the DA:

    1. New Vents
    2. Relocation of existing ice box
    3. Proposed 2x poster board signs (DA05 sign 09)
    4. Proposed new 3.5m high internally illuminated sign (DA05 sign 01)

    I will detail my concerns re: 1-4 in the following paragraphs, however, these concerns in relation to the DA are in addition to my concerns with aspects of the DA which are already included or are to be considered "existing".

    In purchasing this property, we were well aware that we were next to a service station, and that this would come with some noise pollution. Up to this point, there is no argument or problem. The noise pollution which we are able to accept include the following (which related to the 'existing' aspects of the DA):
    a. LPG cage - this is insanely noisy at 9, 10 or 11pm or whenever the truck idles near our bedroom windows and rattles and clanks for up to an hour loading and unloading.
    b. Existing Air/Water - this facility hisses and beeps whether it is being used or not and gets used all hours of the night and day - again, right next to our bedroom windows
    c. While not noted in the DA, there is an AusGrid pole which buzzes and crackles and makes an extraordinarily inordinate amount of noise pollution which I need to contact AusGrid to deal with as it affects no one else and is also directly outside our bedroom window.
    d. The ever-present green glow of the existing signage already permeates our household

    These aspects, which include the fact that trucks will idle for an hour while refilling the tanks, which affect us even though the tanks are on the other side - truck noise is truck noise - are already what we tolerate and accept within the social contract of living next door to a service station.

    To specify my concerns re 1-4, I will now elaborate as mentioned:

    1. New Vents
    My concern is that this will add another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which will require more trucks to idle and clank as they load and/or refill tanks which itself will probably take place late into the night adding further noise pollution to the already existing and up to this point tolerated noise pollution.

    2. Relocation of Ice Box
    My concern is that this will add yet another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which require more trucks to idle and clank as they load and/or refill the freezer which itself will take place late into the night exacerbating still further the already high level of noise pollution (which itself will get higher if you take into consideration point 1 (new vents) and this would more than exceed the already tolerated noise pollution.

    3. Proposed 2x poster board signs (DA05 sign 09)
    My concern is that this will add another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility, which not only will further exacerbate the noise pollution as per points 1 and 2, but will also add another level of light pollution which we already tolerate as mentioned in the point above. That there will be two of them, is only evidence that it will not just be more light and noise pollution, but that this will be doubled.

    4. Proposed new 3.5m high internally illuminated sign (DA05 sign 01)
    My concern is that this will add yet another incessantly buzzing and crackling facility which will exacerbate an already intolerable level of light and noise pollution which is being added to a very busy and noisy section of the DA - i.e. all on the one side and this is unreasonable, unfair and totally inappropriate. I recognise that it is 'one side' that will be illuminated, but this is not the aspect with which I have a concern, it is the overall totality of noise and light which in an accumulative sense will go beyond what is tolerable, reasonable, fair and right.

    In conclusion, my concerns have been clearly laid out in numerical order, I have offered context to my concerns and responded to the DA for 175 Ourimbah Road, Mosman. My concerns are significant, they are real and they are legitimate as they will deeply, negatively and materially affect my mental and physical health and wellbeing as well as affect my property.

    Thank you for your consideration and for taking the time to read my submission.

    Cheers,

    Gail Papilos

  3. margaret commented

    Totally agree with your comments!
    This proposed development is excessive and out of character with the surrounding land use (residential street).
    The proposed low rise shrubbery is also inappropriate, in line with their purported environmental credentials they should install a hedge of advanced trees which would be more in keeping with the Mosman environs

  4. Peter Papilos commented

    In addition to my earlier comment regarding this DA, I intended to make a broader comment beyond the specifics mentioned:

    1. The proposed $1,000,000 plus DA makes no reference to a proposed time line for the upgrade

    2. There appears to be no assessment or reference to additional noise, air or other pollution and/or pollutants

    3. There is no reference to adverse affects and/or effects (physical, environmental, mental etc.) let alone the obvious ongoing and/or side effects to such an undertaking - which it naturally must have

    4. Besides attempting to lift some aspect of its (BP’s) profitability by creating a new cafe (which will then compete with the local cafe up the road and once again have big business take away custom from small business) installing more bowsers and tempting more custom, there does not seem to be a real need to expend one million dollars, which will take a year or more to finalise as a project, creating undue noise pollution and pollution in a general sense, as well as excessive excavation and construction (which will have a negative and ongoing adverse affect and effect on the native plants and animals), there does not seem to be a good reason or basis for the DA to be approved.

    Thank you for your consideration of these concerns.

  5. Gail Papilos commented

    In addition to my earlier comment regarding this DA, I intended to make a broader comment beyond the specifics mentioned:

    1. The proposed $1,000,000 plus DA makes no reference to a proposed time line for the upgrade

    2. There appears to be no assessment or reference to additional noise, air or other pollution and/or pollutants

    3. There is no reference to adverse affects and/or effects (physical, environmental, mental etc.) let alone the obvious ongoing and/or side effects to such an undertaking - which it naturally must have

    4. Besides attempting to lift some aspect of its (BP’s) profitability by creating a new cafe (which will then compete with the local cafe up the road and once again have big business take away custom from small business) installing more bowsers and tempting more custom, there does not seem to be a real need to expend one million dollars, which will take a year or more to finalise as a project, creating undue noise pollution and pollution in a general sense, as well as excessive excavation and construction (which will have a negative and ongoing adverse affect and effect on the native plants and animals), there does not seem to be a good reason or basis for the DA to be approved.

    Thank you for your consideration of these concerns.

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