26 Pier Ave Shorncliffe QLD 4017

Material Change of Use - St Patrick's College (Primary Applicant), DTS Group (Consultant)

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We found this application for you on the planning authority's website 28 days ago. It was received by them 1 day earlier.

(Source: Brisbane City Council, reference A005707441)

21 Comments

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  1. Michael Biggers commented

    This application looks to extend the oval space for the college. With the huge and often inconsiderate expansion of the school, noise levels from the current oval have increased considerably to the detriment of the neighbours on Yundah St. This crowded oval is used from 6.30 am until late evening daily, including Saturdays as well. An expansion of this oval will create a much larger volume of loud noise to further affect these residents. Part of this proposal needs to include upgrading the entire wire boundary fence on Yundah St, to a solid sound barrier type of fencing, to at least a 2-3 metre height and control some of this noise. Considering the ever expanding college footprint on the area and the increased noise produced, it is a necessity to mitigate some of this to be fair on the residents that live here as well.
    Regards

  2. Ed commented

    Agree that School is ever expanding with minimal consideration for other residents. I would encourage the school to implement additional sound control to mitigate carry over noise from sport activities

  3. Brett Mortimer commented

    It’s a school! Congrats on the new land so the boys have more room to play.

  4. Sarah commented

    Fantastic opportunity to provide more room for outdoor activit. The school has always been in the same location.

  5. Rebecca Wrigh commented

    If you chose to live near a school you need to expect noise. The school has been there a long time. Fantastic for the boys more room for outdoor activities.

  6. Robert Mead commented

    More consideration should be made towards the local community. Parking from the school already overflows into the local area. Traffic has increased in the area during school hours. Further expansions need to consider the impact the school has on the fabric of community in the area

  7. Annie Lawrie commented

    The ever increasing footprint of this school on the Shorncliffe suburb - changing entirely the face of our original small community of shops and hotel and convenience stores (which were available within walking distance for our residents) - has already been allowed to take more space than should have been allowed. The consequence of this, is extra cars being driven by students and administration staff, causing major traffic and parking issues to such an extent that residents cannot drive out of their driveways both in the morning in the leadup to school hours, and also at the end. The whole area is over run with traffic.
    One would think that a school of this standing so close to a train station would be encouraging students and administration staff to use public transport, but it appears their negligence will continue, to the detriment of the local residents.
    The accumulation of this extra space will continue to enable them to do what residents have been unable to stop for many years now.
    Please let Shorncliffe be something other than just being the footprint of a huge school!

  8. Christine Hogan commented

    At Patrick’s College has been there for many years.... I would assume if you buy a property close to a school you would consider it might get busy and noisy? It’s a wonderful school and I welcome the improvements

  9. Rob witt commented

    This sounds like good opportunity to gain some my needed extra space for the boys at the school . I would like know how many of the ‘locals’ that having a whine about the noise have been around since early days of this school . Am sure you prob hear train noises more .

  10. Peter Smith commented

    This college is an historic and permanent part of our community. There are now many generations of boys who have come through the school and become valuable residents and leaders of our community. Let us encourage and support the further development of the school’s facilities. 100% behind this.

  11. Susie commented

    Sorry but when we moved there were 600 kids at the school - there are now more than twice that number - plus they allow the P Platers plus numerous staff to drive and leave their cars outside our homes so we can't even park outside during school hours - and then there are the parents who drive their kids to school and pick them up - some even get there around 2 and sit in their cars waiting for more than an hour - we used to live in a community village but by stealth the school is taking over the top of the hill. Not great ... and for all of you who say wonderful - you try and live nearby. You don't see the lovely little primary school doing the same! We have heard that they now have their eyes on that too - lets hope it doesn't happen!

  12. Studio George commented

    To those who say the school has been in the area for a long time: The suburban houses and infrastructure have been in the area long before the school.
    To those who say if you live close to a school you have to expect this: School issues are expected but the exponential increase of the problems over the years, have now become potential safety issues.
    To those who say you bought into the area knowing full well that the school was there: A lot of residents bought into the area when the student population was half of what it is today and we were ok with the school at it's original configuration.

    Did you know: 1. On any school day the population of Shorncliffe doubles between school opening and closing hours with the disproportional influx of students, buses, cars, teachers, and other school staff and parents. The local streets don’t cope with this amount of traffic. Try getting a tradie to visit your house at 9am or 3pm. 2. Recent improvements to school infrastructure put an increased burden on the original local water and sewerage infrastructure that was initially installed to cope with a limited suburb occupancy. 3. The suburb cannot cope with an increased student population. It is the only Brisbane suburb bounded on three sides by water. The school is expanding and the suburb is not; it cannot.

    I agree; the school provides a positive community benefit but my issue is the ever increasing student population every year. The school needs to cap student enrolments and/or explore additional campus locations so as to not slowly “eat out” the suburb.

  13. Tina Salt commented

    This is not a case of “well what did you expect if you bought a house near a school”. The school continues to increase student numbers which has both positive and negative ramifications for the neighbourhood. This private (and for profit) school needs to remedy any negative impact it has on what is first and foremost a residential neighbourhood, e.g. noise pollution, traffic congestion, internet congestion. The school also needs to set a limit to student numbers (just like a gym would) which benefits and preserves the best interests of both members (students) and the surrounding environment alike.

  14. Sharon Woolich commented

    This application once again highlights the lack of community consultation we have come to expect from St. Patrick's School. Over the last 15-20 years we have seen the number of students grow exponentially, with little to no regard for how this impacts the surrounding residents (or, historically, the character of the area either).

    I have a number of concerns, namely: parking, traffic and noise.

    As an owner of commercial property, if I want to increase my square footage, I have to accommodate more off-street parking to suit the growth. There is no way around this requirement for Brisbane City Council. Why does this not also apply to St. Patricks' growth? Make no mistake - this is a school, that is also very much a business.

    In my opinion, a traffic and parking management plan should be submitted as part of this application. This application should, in the very least, cover off the following:

    1. Off-street parking should be provided by the school for their staff.

    2. Students should be discouraged or disallowed from driving to school and parking on our residential streets.

    3. Parents should be encouraged to send their boys via public transport or active travel, to lessen the congestion on the limited roads into the suburb.

    4. The school also needs to provide better management of foot traffic from the train station i.e. managed crossings, as the number of times I have seen near misses is truly frightening.

    Hence, I would argue that this space, if it were to have a material change of use, then it should be to provide further off-street parking for staff - as not only a requirement by law, but as a practicality. To those that say the boys are better off with more park-land, then please consider they have already been given exclusive access to the council owned, Curlew Park, for same.

  15. Tim West commented

    At some stage the school has come to outgrow the area. Consideration of noise, parking, commute and personal safety has to be observed. The particular corner under review is very busy as a crossroad during commute. I recommend observing the situation to ensure safety for both the state school and St Patrick’s students. I invite councilor Cassidy to review and hold a community forum on the topic of the application.

  16. Peter Thompson commented

    The school has outgrown the area and continues to demolish the neighbourhood with disregard to the residents that live in the area...

    There is no need for a school of its size to even be in the area with only one direction of access and exit for traffic...

    The houses were here before the school and the people that use the school don’t live in the area so don’t care about the impact they put on it coming and going...

    Students don’t need a bay view to learn...

    The school needs to be in a larger area of land elsewhere to allow expansion and have access from all directions...

    Shorncliffe State Primary schools impact is insignificant in comparison...

  17. B McShane commented

    Whether or not St Pat’s is a “good school” is irrelevant to the fact that there appears to be no traffic/parking/noise limitations for this school that is squished into a residential area. If this building in 26 Pier Ave is demolished to make a sport area (it is too small an area for an “oval”), and a noise mitigation wall is built, how ugly will that be? The school should stop expanding. It should stop increasing enrolments. It should have sound control. 6 years ago it was possible to park in Yundah St. It is now impossible on both sides of Yundah and in surrounding streets. Approach to Shorncliffe is gridlocked morning and afternoon. Stop children driving to school. Let’s have a Planning Department actually do some Planning using planning principles for protection of residents and protection of the character and purpose of the suburb.

  18. Mike Chamberlain commented

    As a Shorncliffe resident, is there any point in commenting - the opinions of the majority of residents have typically been ignored.
    The Shorncliffe Business Area was identified in the Sandgate Local Area Plan (1995) as an area which should be preserved as a site for small-scale retail and service activities and its historic character retained.
    In spite of the existence of this plan and ongoing community protest, the Shorncliffe Business Area was totally absorbed into St Patrick’s College, heritage buildings demolished and Shorncliffe’s heritage commercial heart obliterated.
    And so it continues .....

  19. Nicky Speedy commented

    Fantastic school serving the community in a multitude of ways. Including but not limited to operating the Paddy Van, which contributes to providing food to our local homeless community & assisting underprivileged children academically. When you move to an area with a popular boys school experiencing growth due to having a well regarded reputation, then you consider the consequences (including the potential noise & traffic ramifications) PRIOR to purchasing/renting a home close by. As a Shorncliffe resident, we consider the current traffic disruption at drop off & pick up times to be minimal & certainly way less troublesome than the surrounding areas of a number of other Northside schools.

  20. Catherine O'Keeffe commented

    The school was always going to buy that block of land when it became available. But they should definitely be submitting a traffic and parking management plan with this application. Rainbow St traffic at school beginning and end times is horrific. When driving up from Lower Moora Park in the mornings it is extremely dangerous. The parents drop their kids off right at the top of the access road to the park and in front of the gym making it near impossible to see cars coming along behind them. A drive along Eagle Tce/Park Pde on school days shows a very high percentage of the parked cars have P plates. It would be horrendous for locals living in the street to park and have visitors. The school continues to expand without taking its neighbours and other locals into account.

  21. Mike Chemberlain commented

    Many of the pro-school comments on this page state that the school has been here a long time.
    It has not been here as long as almost all the houses in this residential suburb.
    It has not been here as long as the row of shops that the school demolished.
    It has not been there as long as the historic family-friendly pub which the school bought and closed.
    The school is also a business and a business of that size is usually expected provide parking for all staff.
    A small school fitted well in this community - this school has outgrown its footprint and provides education to students who mostly belong to other communities.

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